alcazar

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Of the ANPR car being there at least once a week, but there are no Police anywhere?

How does that work? Just sending fines in the post again?

I bet you NEVER see one in Bradistan!

Coffin Dodger

Pretty much I think, just trying to catch untaxed / uninsured cars being used but not sure if the stop them at the time. Have heard that they sometimes have a car a mile of so down the road so they can pull offenders.

That or they are just watching our movements

alcazar

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No Police evidence on any roads leading FROM the ANPR, plus he's just before a 5-way raoundabout.....

Must be more "photo and fine" policing?

Dean'swrx

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Perhaps they are waiting for a stolen Subaru to drive past and ping the anpr camera then it can be returned to its owner.

tony de wonderful

The point is surveillance.

It's a panoptic phenomenon.

J4CKO

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Im all for it if it is used to grab illegal cars.

I dont think its some form of Big Brother scenario, if everyone paid up and was legal then they wouldnt bother, the roads are full of people who cant afford to drive but do so anyway, sorry but its not a right and the laws are there to protect us, not the government, the tax provides a nice road network to drive on.

tony de wonderful

If it is not surveillance why is all the data recorded centrally? It is not just stand-alone cameras which flag an uninsured car?

It enables a de facto way to survey and track an individuals movements.

We managed to survive a few years ago with ANPR and we were not all getting mown down in the street by uninsured Drivers.

Hanley

The fact is with fuel and insurance creeping to record highs a lot more people who would normally insure their cars are now taking a risk.

LUCKO

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anpr is used to see where we go on the uk roads simples

the reg number is logged on most motorways to see who goes where

Bean1984

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When the anpr van is parked up on its own its normally collecting evidence against those who drive illegally. Pulling them on the spot may only get them a ticket where as build up evidence then the police have more to hand to the cps and get the suspect sent to prison hopefully

tony de wonderful

Exactly. It is surveillance with no oversight. The production of surveillance data maybe for its own justification too.

It's wrong in essence.

tony de wonderful

That's true.

tony de wonderful

Our roads are **** and I don't think road tax or fuel duty goes exclusively to pay for roads. I think it makes a surplus in that regard.

If the ANPR was intended for our benefit only why is their no due process in terms of who can be surveyed and tracked?

Terminator X

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Resistance is futile, it will go only one way:



TX.

Boro

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ANPR is just another little piece of our privacy being taken away.

If you've sucked in the propaganda and government BS then you'll probably say something like "If you haven't done anything wrong, you haven't got anything to worry about".

The fact is whether you are law abiding or not you are being tracked 24/7.

J4CKO

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Like anyone cares where I go and what I do, I dont, cant imagine the imaginary machine does.

tony de wonderful

It's logged believe me.

Rights to civil freedoms from surveillance should be protected in case government goes bad.

kad 16v

Its not just used to catch the uninsured they can be used to locate cars with drugs markers on or cars thought to be involved in terrorism.

Its a shame it logs us all but with more and more people breaking the law with motoring offences and a lot of drugs trafficing using our roads its easier if they monitor us all than just the people breaking the law.

i'm not bothered if my numberplate and my where abouts is buzzing around in some server in a basement somewhere..... why you ask cos most of it is there anyway bar my location but it wouldnt take a normal person long to work that out anyway using the info available to them on my insurance docs etc, it only takes a few days to work out someones basic pattern of life which is done more often than you would think by local councils investigating people for various reasons

if you dont like being watched you could always take the top gear approach
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...cemaskxt9.jpg/

scoobeenut

Isn't this like collecting fingerprints or DNA without your consent?

Jamescsti

If by bradistan you mean Bradford then every main road into The city has anpr cameras covering them, has for years.
They are council owned.

Felix.

Yes, we should let drug dealers, burglars, rapists, paedophiles go about their private business with intrusion

And so what if people drive around without tax and insurance - I pay mine, but I don't mind if other people get away with it. If i get hit by an uninsured driver, i won't mind paying for it all

GC8

Every motorway, trunk road and the roads around most towns and cities are all watched constantly by ANPR.

We are slowly shifting to a society where we are ruled by government, that no longer accepts that it only administers on our behalf.

Felix.

no - we are shifting to a society where its harder for criminals and insurance avoiders to move about

BOB.T

Also you often see an ANPR van on a major trunk road between Bradford and Burnley, Blackburn etc. This one is usually accompanied by at least half a dozen police cars and bikes.

tony de wonderful

The point is you need to spy on everyone using the ANPR method to then identify criminals and insurance avoiders.

There is no need for sure cause, thus due process and oversight.

It's the way a police state works.

Would you be happy for the government to bug your phone, put a camera in your house, just in case you were a criminal?

Boro

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Of course he would! He's swallowed the BS pill and washed it down with government p!ss lol.

All in the name of anti-terror plans (yawn).

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/30...nformation.htm

tony de wonderful

One way to counter the terror threat would to re-protect the natural right to bear arms which successive legislation has eroded. Believe it or not it was only in the 20th century that firearms had draconian restriction put upon them.

Would AQ try a Bombay style attack if every citizen was carrying a piece?

Felix.

ehh?

Of course they would. They would blend in a lot better. They would not need to do anything in anycase as the population would shoot themselves before they got there

Felix.

Well just crack on then and don't moan when the next bomb goes off in London - even if the public moan that it was all overtly planned on twitter

Felix.

Criminals don't tend to phone and tell us of their movements and what cars they currently have. Neither do the un-insured funnily enough.

Due to cutbacks, the 'invasion of privacy' brigade looks like it may have won. We have lost loads of cctv, and forensics services, screening dna etc. Burglarys now where they have blood at the scene and a camera at the end of the road can't get investigated - much to the anguish of the victims.

"the cameras not working and you may as well clean up the blood because we can't analyse it and the ANPR unit is closed down so we can't track your car"