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Old 20 January 2012, 06:57 AM
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Unhappy Benefits being claimed by more than 370,000 migrants

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16643677

and this gem - ok it is in The Sun but read on.http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-payments.html
A BIG Issue seller from Romania has won a landmark ruling allowing her to claim housing benefit in the UK.

Mum-of-four Firuta Vasile, 27, was initially refused the benefit because current rules say immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria cannot claim if they are jobless.

But a tribunal judge decided that Vasile, who sells the Big Issue in Bristol, is self-employed.

Now immigrants who sell the Big Issue stand to claim up to £20,000 a year in housing benefits after the ruling classed their work as a "proper job".

She already receives £491 a week in tax credits and other benefits and is set to get £50 a week for housing.


One off - i doubt it and the bbc link kinda backs that up.


Looking forward to the first play of the race card or being called a xenophobe or that tired and pathetic excuse about 'home grown scum' as if it mitigates this - two wrongs do not make a right

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Old 20 January 2012, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by The Zohan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16643677

and this gem - ok it is in The Sun but read on.http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-payments.html
A BIG Issue seller from Romania has won a landmark ruling allowing her to claim housing benefit in the UK.

Mum-of-four Firuta Vasile, 27, was initially refused the benefit because current rules say immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria cannot claim if they are jobless.

But a tribunal judge decided that Vasile, who sells the Big Issue in Bristol, is self-employed.

Now immigrants who sell the Big Issue stand to claim up to £20,000 a year in housing benefits after the ruling classed their work as a "proper job".

She already receives £491 a week in tax credits and other benefits and is set to get £50 a week for housing.


One off - i doubt it and the bbc link kinda backs that up.


Looking forward to the first play of the race card or being called a xenophobe or that tired and pathetic excuse about 'home grown scum' as if it mitigates this - two wrongs do not make a right
Paul! Blood pressure!!
Old 20 January 2012, 07:30 AM
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There you go Paul - some evidence to help you calm down.

Independent economists demonstrate that immigration is not the evil many portray it to be!

Immigration does not cause unemployment
Old 20 January 2012, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Trout
There you go Paul - some evidence to help you calm down.

Independent economists demonstrate that immigration is not the evil many portray it to be!

Immigration does not cause unemployment
Ahh, that's OK then, stupidly, i assumed a woman earning £100.00 a week and claiming £500.00 a week in tax credits was a cost to the taxpayer. I stand corrected and even so, i am sure she is a one-off

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Old 20 January 2012, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Trout
There you go Paul - some evidence to help you calm down.

Independent economists demonstrate that immigration is not the evil many portray it to be!

Immigration does not cause unemployment


where is the evidence?
Old 20 January 2012, 08:13 AM
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If 400K immigrants are living on benefits, I wonder who the other 7 million are?

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Old 20 January 2012, 08:28 AM
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Well i suppose its a step up from the daily fail
Old 20 January 2012, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
Well i suppose its a step up from the daily fail
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ousing-benefit

even the Gucci-Socialist rags are carry the story...
Old 20 January 2012, 08:50 AM
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This really ****'s me off

I have been living in the UK for the last 41 years (I am 41 years old) and have been out of work for nearly 3 years now I don't sign on so I don't get any benefits (before some of you jump on your high donkey's) and the reason I don't sign on is because all I would get is my stamp paid No money just the degrading feeling everytime you go in to the local job centre (10 miles away).

So for foreigners to come over here and get the benefits disgusts me


Oh and the reason I don't get any money is because I hadn't earned enough money the 2 years previous! (so like 5 years ago nearly).
Old 20 January 2012, 09:38 AM
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How can they claim housing benefit if they're squatting in people's homes in and around London? The streets are lined with money for these people and the tourism is great if you're after free benefits and health care for all the family.
Old 20 January 2012, 09:43 AM
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Same ****, different year!

Find a new soapbox FFS!
Old 20 January 2012, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Same ****, different year!

Find a new soapbox FFS!
I wouldn't expect anything more on NSR
Old 20 January 2012, 10:13 AM
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I'm with paul on this - how can you draw benifits when you're earning an income via the big issue? Obv not hoeless either as took us to court for housing benifit!

TX.
Old 20 January 2012, 10:38 AM
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371,000 too many.
Old 20 January 2012, 11:51 AM
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Works out at "just under 7%" or "just over 6%" of the benefits claimants, depending on which radio station you listen to.

But Imagine knocking even 6% off the benefits bill in one go?

How much difference would THAT make?

Welfare is already the government's biggest spend. Perhaps this is a way to cut it?

"What? You are here and claiming? Bye bye."
Old 20 January 2012, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator X
I'm with paul on this - how can you draw benifits when you're earning an income via the big issue? Obv not hoeless either as took us to court for housing benifit!

TX.
I don't understand your logic here. What's wrong with claiming income support when working? That's what it's for. Or are you trying to make a different point?

I wasn't aware being homeless was a condition for selling the Big Issue, only that it's proceeds go towards helping the homeless (though after the lot I saw in London this week, they can go rot......).

Geezer
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I think what we need is a fully integrated "on-boarding/off-boarding" system. Problem is that whilst there are many departments and offices involved for people coming in and out of the country, none of them are communicating with each other and their system is fragmented and on different systems. But I would guess that setting up such a system would be costly and become hugely bureaucratic and would undoubtedly infringe on their human rights. The EU policy for free of movement of labour is being exploited by people who have no intention of working.
Old 20 January 2012, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by The Zohan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16643677

and this gem - ok it is in The Sun but read on.http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-payments.html
A BIG Issue seller from Romania has won a landmark ruling allowing her to claim housing benefit in the UK.

Mum-of-four Firuta Vasile, 27, was initially refused the benefit because current rules say immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria cannot claim if they are jobless.

But a tribunal judge decided that Vasile, who sells the Big Issue in Bristol, is self-employed.

Now immigrants who sell the Big Issue stand to claim up to £20,000 a year in housing benefits after the ruling classed their work as a "proper job".

She already receives £491 a week in tax credits and other benefits and is set to get £50 a week for housing.

One off - i doubt it and the bbc link kinda backs that up.


Looking forward to the first play of the race card or being called a xenophobe or that tired and pathetic excuse about 'home grown scum' as if it mitigates this - two wrongs do not make a right

451+50 = 501, bearing in mind benefits dont get taxed means she gets,

501x52 = 26000.

which is mroe than i earn, thats is whats wrong with the whole system.

bearing in mind she wil be getting lots of things free, no council tax etc etc, i bet its £35k +.

i think im gonna quit and claim benefits, nice 10k+ payrise will do nicely
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Works out at "just under 7%" or "just over 6%" of the benefits claimants, depending on which radio station you listen to.

But Imagine knocking even 6% off the benefits bill in one go?

How much difference would THAT make?

Welfare is already the government's biggest spend. Perhaps this is a way to cut it?

"What? You are here and claiming? Bye bye."


Exactly

That money could be put to may other good uses instead of being wasted
Old 20 January 2012, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Geezer
I don't understand your logic here. What's wrong with claiming income support when working? That's what it's for. Or are you trying to make a different point?
People just see the word benefit and immigrant then start shouting from the roof tops
Old 20 January 2012, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
People just see the word benefit and immigrant then start shouting from the roof tops
Depends if its justified or not in all truth. Also i think highlighting imigrants is extreamly subjective as well.

to me its the media looking for a reaction yet again
Old 20 January 2012, 12:43 PM
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Speaking through an interpreter, Vasile said she came to the UK in 2007 to look for work, but could only find a post at the Big Issue in Bristol.
Nice to she has at least spent the last 5 years learning English.
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
Depends if its justified or not in all truth. Also i think highlighting imigrants is extreamly subjective as well.

to me its the media looking for a reaction yet again
Thats it though, all we get is a statistic, you cant base an arguement on statistics.
Old 20 January 2012, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Thats it though, all we get is a statistic, you cant base an arguement on statistics.

especialy guessed statistics lol
Old 20 January 2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
me its the media looking for a reaction yet again
And getting one as usual
Old 20 January 2012, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
And getting one as usual

lol, i wouldn;t call a post on here a major reaction, bit of a rant maybe lol
Old 20 January 2012, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
People just see the word benefit and immigrant then start shouting from the roof tops
What they should be doing is throwing the immigrants from the roof tops
Old 20 January 2012, 01:10 PM
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and we wonder why the Uk is in the state it is!!! JOKE
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You will probably find those four kids were born in the UK. So as a parent/guardian she has every right to claim to support them.

Sadly its a common trick, and there's quite a few Romanians in Spain that do the very same trick.


Remember all those Romanian ophans from years ago?


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