donny andi

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As title , bit of help required
First time ever ran out of fuel in a vivaro , stuck a can in it and tried to fire it back up........shouldn't of bothered killed the battery off

Managed to tow the piece of...... Back home , thought 'maybe just air locked'
Cracked nuts to the injectors and primed it up at the side of the filter
Van started first turn
**** then cut out.......did same again and tried revving it up , wouldn't rev past 25/3000 rpms....then cut straight back out
Won't even attempt to fire without manually pumping the primer and then it will cut back out
Tbh I'm not sure if I actually ran out of fuel or it just died....I remember seeing fuel light on but sure when it died it just did that....no splutter
It's a 1.9di vivaro btw

Any 'useful' info would be much appreciated

giz1978

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they direct injection so do get air locked but sounds like you van has gone into limp mode m* so will need pluging in

kingofturds

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The pumps on these do not really like being started from dry, lets hope you have not damaged it.

donny andi

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Cheers fella.....I'm thinking pump might be shagged as it's only firing up when manually primed

richgreenscooby1

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Dont they run the bosch high pressure pump ?? i would start by removing fuel filter and checking for small metal particles inside ..
any check engine light on ?? Could be crank sensor or a number of things , egr block up on them also , and airflow meters are really common fault ..

rich

donny andi

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I errrrrr turned the key a few times to get it onto the path

Note to anyone wanting a van.......don't waste your time on these piles of crap

Perky15

Ift has a high pressure fuel pump they dont like being run dry had a few burn out usually not cheap either

jameswrx

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Probably tried it but... When you pump the hand primer, get some pressure in and undo the top bleed screw on the fuel filter housing, then tighten and keep doing that until no air comes out. Might be worth a shot if it starts when you hand prime it.

donny andi

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Done that fella til I was soaking in diesel , just been told to replace filter as it could be blocked ....which will stop the pump from working??

donny andi

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Is this the fuel pump or the injector pump?....I'm no mechanic
Been told it should have a lifter pump? Gravity fed type thing?

fatscoobfella1

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I look after a fleet of 50 of these....

If you prime the diesel correctly by pumping the priming bubble they will run without a problem,there is no undoing of nuts or injectors to prime fuel..

If you have cracked the injectors and the high pressure pump is working correctly,then you have probably eroded the injector base/pipe unions...The pump works at such a high pressure,it will easily blow steel/cast away...

First job is diagnostics..

Crank sensors are very common.... Will stop the van in in tracks and wont restart...

Fuel pressure... Can be high pressure pump,or injector blown which will drop pressure in fuel rail..If the rail pressure sensor see's low pressure it will not start..

Leak off test of all injectors frst to see if any obvious signs of leak back..

If not suspect high pressure pump if getting fuel pressure fault codes...

fatscoobfella1

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1.9's should have a manual prime on the fuel filter..

Oh....ALi B,you deleted your post!!......lol....

ALi-B

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Yeah, I missed the manual primer bit so it won't have a electric lift pump.

mart360

If the van runs when hand primed, suggests the pump / injection side is ok..

(i havant got my autodata manual on this pc, so cant check)

its would appear that the lift / primer side is nok..

running thorugh the basics....

What is the method of getting fuel from the tank to the injector pump?

1) In tank primer pump?

2) External lift pump

3) Internal & external lift pump?

4) lift pump combined with injector pump?

Working on the basic combustion cycle

1) Suck ---

2) Squeeze

3) Bang

4) Blow


you satisfy 2-4 as the unit runs when manually primed...


So you either work from the fuel pump back to find the fault, or from the tank forward.

Daft question... BUT!!!

When was the last time the fuel filer was changed/ drained? it could be a blocked filter.

Mart

donny andi

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Mart

Loads of people have said to change the filter....going to try and get one later , I can manage that job , looks like 1 torx bolt and job done
Also advised to fill it full of fresh diesel aswel when fitting the new one

If all that fails it's getting dragged to my mechanics place tonight

Don't mind breaking the cars but the van is the only thing that earns me money

donny andi

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Oh and........

Many thanks to all who have given advise and the ones who have gone out of there way to pm me......much appreciated gents

fatscoobfella1

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Sorry Mart...

But the rules dont really apply on a high pressure diesels..

The van can run with bad pump and/or injectors but will not achieve required high pressure..(due to leak off or bad/worn HP pump gears)...

mart360

Your prolly right... as i said, i dont have my autodata discs on this laptop, so couldnt comment...


Mart

donny andi

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Well just done filter....primed it up etc and jack ****

Getting towed away in a couple of hours before I loose my temper on it

fatscoobfella1

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Did it have any metal in the filter case ?

Its doubtful really as they dont really break the faces off the pump face..

Like i said in the PM Andy,see what fault codes are before anything..Hopefully it will just be a crank sensor

If fuel pressure codes come up then do injector leak off test,if all ok suspect HP pump..

Edit...

If your mechanic has a machine that will read live data that measures fuel pressure in the common rail,i can tell him how to definatively test whether its the HP pump...

donny andi

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Cheers bud I'll find out tomorrow about what codes flash up

As for filter casing it was completely clear .....as you had guessed before!

fatscoobfella1

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Aye.....

See what happens....If you need any info let me know...

donny andi

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Your a diamond bud ....many thanks

mart360

Just got to my autodata cd's ...

you did check that the fuel cut off inertia switch had not been activiated / tripped ??

This can effectivly stop anything from running lol

Accodring to what i can see there is also a secondary lift pump which appears to be in the tank ...


Also dead Fuel pump relays can also have the same symptoms


Mart

scoobyboy

you still have air in the system keep bleeding it

jef

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let us know outcome

my ford needed electric lift pump replacing, cold starting just wouldnt happen until replaced, but you could hear it whinning in use

donny andi

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Tried that.....saw a big bubble on the pipe out of the filter down to the pump....took the pipe off at the pump side to get it full of diesel
Just had a kid call round and read it on a snap on reader....came up with a heater problem.....his vivaro has just done the same , ran perfect this morning, changed cam belt and it won't start....he's getting same fault up on reader as mine......he seems to think crank sensor

donny andi

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Tried that at 9 last night bud....black plastic thing on ns inner wing behind headlight
****ing thing will be going down a steep hill soon on it's own

**jay**

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tried a tow start? my audi tdi would not run after a fuel filter change even after bleeding, lost the rag with it and towed it in second gear and it burst into life lol
Jay

donny andi

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Yep... Miles yesterday , 2nd gear and 4th at higher speed.......nothing
Would the crank sensor do this....as in won't even bump into life?