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Old 19 June 2011, 04:05 PM
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What's the best advice if someone has thought up a new (or possibly new) engineering concept?

Can you patent a concept which hasn't been tested in the real world? How do you search to see if someone else has already thought it up?

The idea relates to petrol engines.
Old 19 June 2011, 04:09 PM
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Apply for a patent, if its in place or similar, they should tell you.

Even if's not feasible now, the application or concept may well be in 10- 20 years time



BTW magnets in fuel lines don't work



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Old 19 June 2011, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mart360
Apply for a patent, if its in place or similar, they should tell you.

Even if's not feasible now, the application or concept may well be in 10- 20 years time
Ok thanks. I have done some google searches and can't find any mention of this concept being used. Either it is useless or nobody has thought of it.

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BTW magnets in fuel lines don't work



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Ha ha
Old 19 June 2011, 05:03 PM
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Try a patent attorney

http://www.****.org.uk/pages/home
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You can search the US patent database for free. Try www.freepatentsonline.com.

To patent an idea you have to be able to describe how to make it in sufficient detail that someone else could reproduce it - if you just have a concept but no idea how to build it you won't get a patent.
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Originally Posted by scud8
You can search the US patent database for free. Try www.freepatentsonline.com.

To patent an idea you have to be able to describe how to make it in sufficient detail that someone else could reproduce it - if you just have a concept but no idea how to build it you won't get a patent.
Well the idea uses existing technology just in a novel way.
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a very close friend is one of Europe's leading patents lawyers

his advice would be, unsurprisingly, to speak to a specialist patent lawyer
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
The idea relates to petrol engines.
Gas Chambers? Someone already thought of that and heavily tested the idea, although thats not to say he patented the idea!
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but if the idea is out there, it only needs to have been "publicly" shown once to make it un patentable.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
What's the best advice if someone has thought up a new (or possibly new) engineering concept?

Can you patent a concept which hasn't been tested in the real world? How do you search to see if someone else has already thought it up?

The idea relates to petrol engines.
Does it stop them being revved to early destruction?

Les
Old 20 June 2011, 10:58 AM
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If you are filling in a patent application, do not be sparse with any info. include as much detail as possible about what it is, and include illustrations where required. Basically, go over the top.
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There is a patent lawyer on the proper Subaru website - bbs.22b.com

It's not a turbonator is it?
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Ha ha no it's not, but I am having second thoughts about my idea anyway. I'm not sure it it works basically.
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Empirical testing should give you the answer one way or the other.

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Would need a test engine in a lab I think, or do it cheap with a RC nitro engine maybe.
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I'm pretty sure burning 'darkies' to provide fuel for an engine is against some sort of health and safety or PC law. And Hitler may well have already tried it.......
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Actually he started by running truck engines to get rid of them, until he found a system to help him install a much larger operation.

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