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Old 02 February 2011, 11:25 AM
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Default Why aren't we phasing out QWERTY keyboards?

They were apparently invented to SLOW down key entries, something no longer necessary.

So why aren't they being phased out?
Can you even BUY an ABC keyboard?
Old 02 February 2011, 11:29 AM
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Eh? We'd all have to learn how to type again. What would be the point? I am not yet 40, but I can't learn that again!
Old 02 February 2011, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
They were apparently invented to SLOW down key entries, something no longer necessary.
Eh? Are you sure about that? I always believed the key layout was designed so that letters that appear together frequently in the english language, are able to by typed by different hands, thus making it quicker.

That could all be bollocks though.
Old 02 February 2011, 11:33 AM
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It wasn't for slowing people down it is (was) about positioning of the fingers and grouping of commonly used letters.

I don't see a replacement ever happening, there have been a few tries. I trialled a "keyboard" with just five buttons that you operated with one hand and pressed a combination. I got reasonably proficient, but then thought "what is the point?".

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Old 02 February 2011, 11:35 AM
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You should try typing on an azerty keyboard - that'll slow down your typing!
Old 02 February 2011, 11:51 AM
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I always thought qwerty was done to slow typing down as old style typewriters couldn't handle the speed I could be wrong, I usually am
Old 02 February 2011, 11:55 AM
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As above DARB it was done so that the typewriter keys were less likely to hit each other and cause a jam. It isn't necessarily the most logical layout but it is now the one we are all used to.

There have been variations over the years though I'm sure at least one other system was in use at some point....

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If it's not broke why fix it?
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Originally Posted by alcazar
They were apparently invented to SLOW down key entries, something no longer necessary.

So why aren't they being phased out?
Can you even BUY an ABC keyboard?
Shhhhh! Don't give Apple any more bright ideas
Old 02 February 2011, 12:22 PM
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I've used ABC keypads on label makers: Impossible.

Give me QWERTY anyday. And a proper PC-AT keyboard. Not these modern compact ones where they squish up the cursor keys and use small shift/enter keys.
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Do what I do and take all the letters off and put them back as an ABC board,easy.
Old 02 February 2011, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobyd00999
Do what I do and take all the letters off and put them back as an ABC board,easy.
Yeah, but then that would spell NKHL

Opps, no it wouldn't, it would be YQOS


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I *REALLY* hate, with a passion, ABC keypads....

The council by us replaced every fricking pay & display machine at knee height that you have to enter your reg number into on a ABC keypad.

They REALLY REALLY boil my ****.....

Am I in a wheelchair - err NO - when did I ever see a wheelchair user using one - err NEVER - let all cater for the 95th percentile shall we....

Fecking tree hugging, letil eating, sandal wearing public feckin servants - my ****
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Originally Posted by Clarebabes
Eh? We'd all have to learn how to type again. What would be the point? I am not yet 40, but I can't learn that again!
No, people who learned on QWERTY boards could continue, anyone coming through now would LEARN on an ABC board, after some years QWERTY boards are phased out.

It would HAVE to be more intuitive: we already know our alphabet, why have to learn a weird jumble of letters before we can type? It makes no sense.
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Why don't we just change the alphabet, that's gotta be easier, just change a few posters at primary schools, sorted, new alphabet, all keyboards are fine then, everyone happy
Old 02 February 2011, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
anyone coming through now would LEARN on an ABC board

People coming through now don't even know their ABC so what's the point?!
Old 02 February 2011, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
No, people who learned on QWERTY boards could continue, anyone coming through now would LEARN on an ABC board, after some years QWERTY boards are phased out.

It would HAVE to be more intuitive: we already know our alphabet, why have to learn a weird jumble of letters before we can type? It makes no sense.
The layout doesn't really make much difference once you are used to typing. Your fingers still have to 'learn' where the keys are. If you are a single finger typist then maybe, slightly. You would still have to scan three lines of keys to find the correct letter.
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The best keyboard I've ever had was one of them microsoft natural keyboards. It is still QWERTY but it definitely helped me learn how to type at a much more advanced speed.
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The qwerty keyboard layout has been around since 1873.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY
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I couldn't cope with a abc keyboard now.
Old 02 February 2011, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Hu
I *REALLY* hate, with a passion, ABC keypads....

The council by us replaced every fricking pay & display machine at knee height that you have to enter your reg number into on a ABC keypad.

They REALLY REALLY boil my ****.....

Am I in a wheelchair - err NO - when did I ever see a wheelchair user using one - err NEVER - let all cater for the 95th percentile shall we....

Fecking tree hugging, letil eating, sandal wearing public feckin servants - my ****
I agree! this is a prime example of a waste of money/PC gone mad.If they just let people with a Blue Badge park for free(small revenue loss) then they wouldn't have had to do anything.Also if there is a high cost car park then they could have a Oyster Card type blue badge & a reader at the exit that charges them when they leave.
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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
I agree! this is a prime example of a waste of money/PC gone mad.If they just let people with a Blue Badge park for free(small revenue loss) then they wouldn't have had to do anything.Also if there is a high cost car park then they could have a Oyster Card type blue badge & a reader at the exit that charges them when they leave.

Whats that got to do with a QWERTY keyboard???????
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Originally Posted by scoobyd00999
Whats that got to do with a QWERTY keyboard???????
I used one to type it.
Old 02 February 2011, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobyd00999
Whats that got to do with a QWERTY keyboard???????
Seriously though.I was replying to the post about the ABC keyboards on parking ticket machines.
I just went off on one! Sometimes you've just got to vent
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Industry standard. A bit like telling us all to drop English and learn Arabic
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But that's my point: it could still BE industry standard, but in 25 years, it would be no longer. Yet we aren't even starting with ABC keyboards, just persisting with an anachronism.

It's like saying, "Well we aren't going to use digital cameras as photographers and film processors learned their trade on film cameras." Or, "We aren't going to have mobile phones as no-one knows how to use them, they were trained on old dial types.)
We didn't do that, and many other forward thinking moves weren't put off, so WHY cling to this?
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A digital camera has significant benefits over film.

A mobile phone has significant benefits over a landline.

An ABC keyboard is exactly the same as a QWERTY keyboard but with the letters in different places. Changing it would be a massive hassle for a very large percentage of the world, for absolutely **** all benefit. There is absolutely no point in letting this bother you!
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Originally Posted by legb4rsk
Seriously though.I was replying to the post about the ABC keyboards on parking ticket machines.
I just went off on one! Sometimes you've just got to vent

and a good vent it was


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