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16 January 2011, 12:53 AM
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How have you decided I'm Jewish then? It's pretty simple, you must have decided that Jewish people act in a certain way. If that is not racists then what is? Generalising based on race!
What from what I just said is 'from the telegraph' BTW?
Since when has it been a race ??
What from what I just said is 'from the telegraph' BTW?
Since when has it been a race ??
16 January 2011, 12:54 AM
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The ***** thought so.
But then they were mongs. Genuinely don't care whether people are Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Shinto etc
I suppose the issue is whether they are Islamist, Zionist etc. But then what's a Zionist?
But then they were mongs. Genuinely don't care whether people are Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Shinto etc
I suppose the issue is whether they are Islamist, Zionist etc. But then what's a Zionist?
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16 January 2011, 01:01 AM
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To add, I don't think it's unreasonable or racist to have a guess at someone's religion/viewpoint based on their political comments (you could be wrong in your assumption of cousre).
16 January 2011, 02:00 AM
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It's an ethnic-religious identity.
16 January 2011, 02:01 AM
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Zionism is just an idea that the Jewish people need a land to call their own is all.
16 January 2011, 02:47 AM
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which in there original text clearly contradicts that, it states on there they are the people of no land, that's why the orthodox are against the Zionist and to my knowledge the orthodox are honest people..... well the majority of them are.
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16 January 2011, 03:00 AM
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But imho no religion should have a country, as a religion is a basic teaching on how to live your life, and a basic view on how and why we are here. And anything above and beyond that, is a misrepresentation of the religion.
No religion is a race.
Nazism believed that the Jews had stabbed the German in the back on the home front and capitulated in the defeat of Germany in WWI, and that Jews were somehow communist and so would over throw the government in a Bolshevic revolution as Judaism in the biological root of Bolshevism The 'Judeo-Bolshevist conspiracy'.
Add to that Jewish families running shops, and lending money, and esp during a period of extreme poverty. It was an explosive issue esp in Germany.
Lets remember that it was socially acceptible to be an anti-semite then as the Catholic Church promoted it, the apparent stab in the back, the real fear of communism and the acceptance of Jewish born Marxists who "lead" to the downfall of Germany in WWI.
It has also been argued that Zionists and Naziism are Very similar, only the "chosen" or "master race" and their choice of "enemy" are the difference.
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16 January 2011, 03:17 AM
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The Holocaust made Zionism necessary. It proved that the Jewish people can't depend upon the goodwill of host states.
16 January 2011, 03:28 AM
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More Russians died in the war than Jews.
Zionism is totally unacceptable.
So one country decides to not accept Jews, then the MUST get their own country lol. So the rich in France should have had that too instead of the guillotine. All the Vietnamese that Pol Pot killed for being educated.
At the end of the day, those concentration camps had more than Jews in there, so how can any one segment decide it DESERVES something after that is plain Greedy, Opportunist, and Shameful.
The only thing that is deserved is that those who died to STOP this happening are remembered, that those who died are not forgotten, and that we NEVER allow this to happen again.
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16 January 2011, 03:32 AM
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so cause they can't depend on the good will of states they should take over Palestine. go in to google type in palistine click images and I'm pretty sure you will stumble across a map that showed Palestinians had more land than the Jews. and within 60 years the palistinians only have 10% of there own country?? is that fair Tony? it's black and White it's clear as day light.
it's funny when I speak to some clients at work they tell me they still have palistinain friends back home. the orthodox blame the isrealie zionist government, the isrealie government blame the palistinian and suicide bombers.
16 January 2011, 03:38 AM
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some morrocans believe that king hassan when he was around treated the Jews better than his own people. the Jews live in yemen with no problem. but hitlar was just a nutter he did what he did for what ever reason he had.
so cause they can't depend on the good will of states they should take over Palestine. go in to google type in palistine click images and I'm pretty sure you will stumble across a map that showed Palestinians had more land than the Jews. and within 60 years the palistinians only have 10% of there own country?? is that fair Tony? it's black and White it's clear as day light.
it's funny when I speak to some clients at work they tell me they still have palistinain friends back home. the orthodox blame the isrealie zionist government, the isrealie government blame the palistinian and suicide bombers.
so cause they can't depend on the good will of states they should take over Palestine. go in to google type in palistine click images and I'm pretty sure you will stumble across a map that showed Palestinians had more land than the Jews. and within 60 years the palistinians only have 10% of there own country?? is that fair Tony? it's black and White it's clear as day light.
it's funny when I speak to some clients at work they tell me they still have palistinain friends back home. the orthodox blame the isrealie zionist government, the isrealie government blame the palistinian and suicide bombers.
Also the Israeli people live in a first world country, when they hold down the real owners of the land in less than 3rd world conditions. How would you react??
The UN says that the "Occupied Territories" should be handed back as they breach international law, yet their connections to the Gov`s in America and UK allow them to get away with it. No wonder people see the Jews and ASSUME there is a conspiracy, as in every other case it indeed called a conspiracy.
16 January 2011, 03:44 AM
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An oppressed people would be the (I hate using this word) Blacks in America.
They were oppressed but this is a segment from a famous speech.
All he asks for is to stand alongside everyone as equals, where is the "We demand a country of our own"??
They were oppressed but this is a segment from a famous speech.
Originally Posted by Dr Martin Luther King jr
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania! Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California! But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania! Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California! But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
16 January 2011, 09:21 AM
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Yes this is just what the place needs. When will it ever end? 
Probably never which will be about the same time that TdW will answer the simple question that has been put to him.
Probably never which will be about the same time that TdW will answer the simple question that has been put to him.
16 January 2011, 09:26 AM
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16 January 2011, 11:40 AM
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We dont care if your a frontal skid Tony my boy 
Have to say is it just coincidence that Judaism and judgemental share the same root ?
Have to say is it just coincidence that Judaism and judgemental share the same root ?
16 January 2011, 06:36 PM
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Zionism is just about a Jewish homeland. There is nothing in Zionism about enslaving anyone of about Jewish supremacy. "Choseness' maybe but same for many religions.
16 January 2011, 06:46 PM
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Very true the Orthodox have no worries living side by side with anyone there, its the Zionists who believe they are "chosen" and that the Palestinians are animals. Where have we heard that before??
Also the Israeli people live in a first world country, when they hold down the real owners of the land in less than 3rd world conditions. How would you react??
The UN says that the "Occupied Territories" should be handed back as they breach international law, yet their connections to the Gov`s in America and UK allow them to get away with it. No wonder people see the Jews and ASSUME there is a conspiracy, as in every other case it indeed called a conspiracy.
Also the Israeli people live in a first world country, when they hold down the real owners of the land in less than 3rd world conditions. How would you react??
The UN says that the "Occupied Territories" should be handed back as they breach international law, yet their connections to the Gov`s in America and UK allow them to get away with it. No wonder people see the Jews and ASSUME there is a conspiracy, as in every other case it indeed called a conspiracy.
The Palies keep themselves down with their terrible Leadership bent on prolonging the conflict, thus keeping their economy a basket case.
Araft was offered 95% of what he wanted. There could have been a two state solution and peace but instead he rejected it w/out even a counter offer.
16 January 2011, 06:48 PM
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Total constructs.
16 January 2011, 06:55 PM
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so cause they can't depend on the good will of states they should take over Palestine. go in to google type in palistine click images and I'm pretty sure you will stumble across a map that showed Palestinians had more land than the Jews. and within 60 years the palistinians only have 10% of there own country?? is that fair Tony? it's black and White it's clear as day light.
The British partitioned the land in a split where Israel was much smaller than today, but the Arabs then attacked and LOST the Palestinians even more land.
It could have been much different without Arab chest-beating.