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16 January 2011, 06:56 PM
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That is all rubbish, total lies.
The Palies keep themselves down with their terrible Leadership bent on prolonging the conflict, thus keeping their economy a basket case.
Araft was offered 95% of what he wanted. There could have been a two state solution and peace but instead he rejected it w/out even a counter offer.
The Palies keep themselves down with their terrible Leadership bent on prolonging the conflict, thus keeping their economy a basket case.
Araft was offered 95% of what he wanted. There could have been a two state solution and peace but instead he rejected it w/out even a counter offer.
16 January 2011, 07:02 PM
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It's a construct.
There were about 200 Aboriginal languages in Australia. They didn't worship the same God(s). How can they be a monoculture?
16 January 2011, 09:05 PM
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Where do you stand on Israel flouting international law and UN resolutions? It is a violation of international law to settle on occupied territory, and Israel continues to flout this by displacing Palestinians and building settlements on land outside it's generally recognised borders (the so called green line or pre-1967 borders).
16 January 2011, 09:24 PM
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Israel was legally set up by the British after they inherited the former territories of the Ottoman Empire. As for why the Palestinians suffered so much in 1948 and after ask the surrounding Arab states. They attacked remember, they set refugees fleeing never to return.
Anyway the international community generally accepts the 1967 borders to be 'fair'.
16 January 2011, 09:28 PM
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Where do you stand on Israel flouting international law and UN resolutions? It is a violation of international law to settle on occupied territory, and Israel continues to flout this by displacing Palestinians and building settlements on land outside it's generally recognised borders (the so called green line or pre-1967 borders).
The settlers are an issue but it's not the main issue. The main issue is the Palestinian leadership failing to negotiate for a 2 state solution and Terrorism. Hamas etc only serve to empower the extreme right in Israel but even the most fanatical Settlers don't have majority support.
The Palestinians can't even agree what they want basically.
16 January 2011, 09:34 PM
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The Aborigines had creation myths, spiritual values and oral traditions (as have almost every other ethnic group in human history) but were disparate, with varying beliefs and cultures. I use the past tense as the 1996 census reported that almost 72 percent of Aborigines practiced some form of Christianity, and 16 percent listed no religion. The indigenous Australian boxer, Anthony Mundine, has converted to Islam: He's worth googling should anyone be interested.
The belief systems of Native Americans, whilst still alive to an extent, are again varied according to tribe. Most Native Americans would not describe themselves as religious or indeed as having a religion, but rather a spirituality. Christianity is popular among many tribes alongside 'religions' such as the Feather, Drum and Dreamer.
16 January 2011, 09:38 PM
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That is not realistic and not the reality on the ground. If you want to push for conquest of the Jewish state then be ready to accept misery and the death of Palestinian children. It's a good job it's not your kids dying right?! You can just cheer on from the sidelines!
Israel was legally set up by the British after they inherited the former territories of the Ottoman Empire. As for why the Palestinians suffered so much in 1948 and after ask the surrounding Arab states. They attacked remember, they set refugees fleeing never to return.
Anyway the international community generally accepts the 1967 borders to be 'fair'.
Israel was legally set up by the British after they inherited the former territories of the Ottoman Empire. As for why the Palestinians suffered so much in 1948 and after ask the surrounding Arab states. They attacked remember, they set refugees fleeing never to return.
Anyway the international community generally accepts the 1967 borders to be 'fair'.
16 January 2011, 09:40 PM
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No.
The Aborigines had creation myths, spiritual values and oral traditions (as have almost every other ethnic group in human history) but were disparate, with varying beliefs and cultures. I use the past tense as the 1996 census reported that almost 72 percent of Aborigines practiced some form of Christianity, and 16 percent listed no religion. The indigenous Australian boxer, Anthony Mundine, has converted to Islam: He's worth googling should anyone be interested.
The belief systems of Native Americans, whilst still alive to an extent, are again varied according to tribe. Most Native Americans would not describe themselves as religious or indeed as having a religion, but rather a spirituality. Christianity is popular among many tribes alongside 'religions' such as the Feather, Drum and Dreamer.
The Aborigines had creation myths, spiritual values and oral traditions (as have almost every other ethnic group in human history) but were disparate, with varying beliefs and cultures. I use the past tense as the 1996 census reported that almost 72 percent of Aborigines practiced some form of Christianity, and 16 percent listed no religion. The indigenous Australian boxer, Anthony Mundine, has converted to Islam: He's worth googling should anyone be interested.
The belief systems of Native Americans, whilst still alive to an extent, are again varied according to tribe. Most Native Americans would not describe themselves as religious or indeed as having a religion, but rather a spirituality. Christianity is popular among many tribes alongside 'religions' such as the Feather, Drum and Dreamer.
16 January 2011, 09:43 PM
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Fair enough but I notice we you and Mus this is that standard reply when you run out of arguments in the debate.
You cling to this view of the conflict because it is what you WANT to see. You want to imagine it's this good vs evil....Palies are eternal victims and oppressed...Israel the cartoon bad guy. Black and white. It's just a piece of theater to you.
You cling to this view of the conflict because it is what you WANT to see. You want to imagine it's this good vs evil....Palies are eternal victims and oppressed...Israel the cartoon bad guy. Black and white. It's just a piece of theater to you.
16 January 2011, 10:10 PM
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would you say that's barbaric behaviour then Tony? robbing people for there land. I don't have a problem with Jews in Palestine. I have problem with them taking it and renaming it.
Im only adding this because you complained Tony, I feel like sitting here and continue to label you. but I won't your problem is your heart is sealed and you've made your mind up already. open your mind and be honest with your self!!
Im only adding this because you complained Tony, I feel like sitting here and continue to label you. but I won't your problem is your heart is sealed and you've made your mind up already. open your mind and be honest with your self!!
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16 January 2011, 10:14 PM
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These cultures are dead. What you see now is just a facsimile, people dressing up and pretending. It was impossible for these belief systems to survive monotheism, the influx of euro people intact. Just like if men from Mars landed now it would screw up our belief systems and make the obsolete.
16 January 2011, 10:23 PM
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These cultures are dead. What you see now is just a facsimile, people dressing up and pretending. It was impossible for these belief systems to survive monotheism, the influx of euro people intact. Just like if men from Mars landed now it would screw up our belief systems and make the obsolete.
16 January 2011, 10:26 PM
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The Aborigines had creation myths, spiritual values and oral traditions (as have almost every other ethnic group in human history) but were disparate, with varying beliefs and cultures. I use the past tense as the 1996 census reported that almost 72 percent of Aborigines practiced some form of Christianity, and 16 percent listed no religion. The indigenous Australian boxer, Anthony Mundine, has converted to Islam: He's worth googling should anyone be interested.
The belief systems of Native Americans, whilst still alive to an extent, are again varied according to tribe. Most Native Americans would not describe themselves as religious or indeed as having a religion, but rather a spirituality. Christianity is popular among many tribes alongside 'religions' such as the Feather, Drum and Dreamer.
The Aborigines had creation myths, spiritual values and oral traditions (as have almost every other ethnic group in human history) but were disparate, with varying beliefs and cultures. I use the past tense as the 1996 census reported that almost 72 percent of Aborigines practiced some form of Christianity, and 16 percent listed no religion. The indigenous Australian boxer, Anthony Mundine, has converted to Islam: He's worth googling should anyone be interested.
The belief systems of Native Americans, whilst still alive to an extent, are again varied according to tribe. Most Native Americans would not describe themselves as religious or indeed as having a religion, but rather a spirituality. Christianity is popular among many tribes alongside 'religions' such as the Feather, Drum and Dreamer.
16 January 2011, 10:29 PM
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Fair enough but I notice we you and Mus this is that standard reply when you run out of arguments in the debate.
You cling to this view of the conflict because it is what you WANT to see. You want to imagine it's this good vs evil....Palies are eternal victims and oppressed...Israel the cartoon bad guy. Black and white. It's just a piece of theater to you.
You cling to this view of the conflict because it is what you WANT to see. You want to imagine it's this good vs evil....Palies are eternal victims and oppressed...Israel the cartoon bad guy. Black and white. It's just a piece of theater to you.
16 January 2011, 10:31 PM
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Israel has torn down many settler camps with force - totally many thousand of settler - it has done this on several occasions.
The settlers are an issue but it's not the main issue. The main issue is the Palestinian leadership failing to negotiate for a 2 state solution and Terrorism. Hamas etc only serve to empower the extreme right in Israel but even the most fanatical Settlers don't have majority support.
The Palestinians can't even agree what they want basically.
The settlers are an issue but it's not the main issue. The main issue is the Palestinian leadership failing to negotiate for a 2 state solution and Terrorism. Hamas etc only serve to empower the extreme right in Israel but even the most fanatical Settlers don't have majority support.
The Palestinians can't even agree what they want basically.
The Zionists have known all along that the Jewish homeland was going to come at the cost of dispossessing the Palestinians ("The bride is beautiful but she is married to another man.").
16 January 2011, 10:32 PM
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Anyway I still want an answer to my question Tony. You see I have a crusade of my own now and thta is get you to explain this:
You seem to leap on any piece of press that shows Muslims or Pakistanis in a bad light, the question is why is that?
You seem to leap on any piece of press that shows Muslims or Pakistanis in a bad light, the question is why is that?
16 January 2011, 10:43 PM
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would you say that's barbaric behaviour then Tony? robbing people for there land. I don't have a problem with Jews in Palestine. I have problem with them taking it and renaming it.
Im only adding this because you complained Tony, I feel like sitting here and continue to label you. but I won't your problem is your heart is sealed and you've made your mind up already. open your mind and be honest with your self!!
Im only adding this because you complained Tony, I feel like sitting here and continue to label you. but I won't your problem is your heart is sealed and you've made your mind up already. open your mind and be honest with your self!!
I do object to the excesses of some of the settler but otoh they are a minority and the Israeli gov has proved a willingness to remove tem by force.
16 January 2011, 10:49 PM
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I agree that the Palestinian leadership (if you can call it that) has not helped itself. But the Israeli's actions mean they have totally forfeited the moral high ground. This is what can happen in a PR electoral system - extremist parties (in Israel's case, right-wing religious parties) end up holding the balance of power and extract their pound of flesh (support for, or at least a blind eye to, illegal settlements).
The Zionists have known all along that the Jewish homeland was going to come at the cost of dispossessing the Palestinians ("The bride is beautiful but she is married to another man.").
The Zionists have known all along that the Jewish homeland was going to come at the cost of dispossessing the Palestinians ("The bride is beautiful but she is married to another man.").
16 January 2011, 10:53 PM
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so how do you explain the amount of land the palistinians are left with?? you say the that America and isreal are fair Nd never do wrong. so why do the palistinians have less land? they seem to only have 10% of there country if that?
16 January 2011, 11:15 PM
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I've admitted that the settler issue is a real one. Israel are not perfect.
As to why Israel has more land than it should have had under the British plan then ask the Arab states why they went to war with Israel and in doing so displaced the refugees?
Many are still in refugee camps with the Arab countries refusing to let them out or be resettled etc. Why is that?
BTW the 'Palestinians' never had 'their' land as a state anyway. In fact there is no such thing as a discrete Palestinian people. The Ottomans never even called it Palestine! It was just a part of their Empire.