Notices
Non Scooby Related Anything Non-Scooby related

Electrical help

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03 November 2010, 12:31 AM
  #1  
Lisawrx
Moderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Lisawrx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Where I am
Posts: 9,729
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Electrical help

I bought some wall lights at work because the colour was being discontinued and they were going really cheap. The wisdom being that they could help freshen up the room a bit for not alot of money.

As usual, nothing goes smoothly in my world.

Basically the ones already up have a pull cord on them to turn them on and off, and I stupidly assumed the new ones would be the same, being a straight swap, but oh no. These new ones have no switch at all. The instructions are quite unclear, but it now looks like I would need an electrician to do the job, totally defeating the object.

Does anyone know if I'd be able to somehow use the cord from the existing lights (not sure about this)?

If it helps, we have a switch either side of the room that operates the main light, would there be a way to make one work the main light and one work the wall lights? Would that be an electrician job, or could anyone do that?

I don't really want to start messing big style with the wiring/walls to fit these as, as I've said this was supposed to just be a cheap change of lights.

Why does nothing run smoothly in my life.
Old 03 November 2010, 12:33 AM
  #2  
DCI Gene Hunt
Scooby Senior
 
DCI Gene Hunt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: RIP - Tam the bam & Andy the Jock
Posts: 14,333
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Chin up...

The switch on either side of the room - is it a single switch or double?
Old 03 November 2010, 12:41 AM
  #3  
Lisawrx
Moderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Lisawrx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Where I am
Posts: 9,729
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
Chin up...

The switch on either side of the room - is it a single switch or double?
Single on each side.
Old 03 November 2010, 12:55 AM
  #4  
DCI Gene Hunt
Scooby Senior
 
DCI Gene Hunt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: RIP - Tam the bam & Andy the Jock
Posts: 14,333
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The only thing worth checking is if there is 2 sets of cables behind the switch faceplate, i.e. a redundant set for a second switch (the wall lights). If there is you can easily swap the single switch for a double. If not it would be cheaper to buy new lights with pulls cords than get a sparky in, unless you know one?
Old 03 November 2010, 01:04 AM
  #5  
Lisawrx
Moderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Lisawrx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Where I am
Posts: 9,729
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
The only thing worth checking is if there is 2 sets of cables behind the switch faceplate, i.e. a redundant set for a second switch (the wall lights). If there is you can easily swap the single switch for a double. If not it would be cheaper to buy new lights with pulls cords than get a sparky in, unless you know one?
I'll get Micky to check that, with my luck I'll electrocute myself.

Don't know a sparky. Well we did, but we're not really mates anymore.

This is what I get for trying to get a cheap fix.
Old 03 November 2010, 01:05 AM
  #6  
DCI Gene Hunt
Scooby Senior
 
DCI Gene Hunt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: RIP - Tam the bam & Andy the Jock
Posts: 14,333
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Take them back for a refund, just say you thought they had pull cords
Old 03 November 2010, 01:25 AM
  #7  
Lisawrx
Moderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Lisawrx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Where I am
Posts: 9,729
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
Take them back for a refund, just say you thought they had pull cords
I'd make more money selling them than taking them back.

Last edited by Lisawrx; 03 November 2010 at 01:26 AM.
Old 03 November 2010, 07:47 AM
  #8  
Jamie
Super Muppet
 
Jamie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Inside out
Posts: 33,364
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Lisa that microwave you have has a catch using a standard kitchen knife jam it in said catch then stick your head in put full power on.All Electrical problems will disappear
Old 03 November 2010, 08:09 AM
  #9  
vindaloo
Scooby Regular
 
vindaloo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: South Bucks
Posts: 3,213
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Lisawrx
I bought some wall lights at work because the colour was being discontinued and they were going really cheap. The wisdom being that they could help freshen up the room a bit for not alot of money.

As usual, nothing goes smoothly in my world.

Basically the ones already up have a pull cord on them to turn them on and off, and I stupidly assumed the new ones would be the same, being a straight swap, but oh no. These new ones have no switch at all. The instructions are quite unclear, but it now looks like I would need an electrician to do the job, totally defeating the object.

Does anyone know if I'd be able to somehow use the cord from the existing lights (not sure about this)?

If it helps, we have a switch either side of the room that operates the main light, would there be a way to make one work the main light and one work the wall lights? Would that be an electrician job, or could anyone do that?

I don't really want to start messing big style with the wiring/walls to fit these as, as I've said this was supposed to just be a cheap change of lights.

Why does nothing run smoothly in my life.
1/ If the cord/switch is integrated into the existing fitting(s), then I'd say not.

2/ If you have to ask, it's an electrician or knowledgable person job.

J.
Old 03 November 2010, 08:30 AM
  #10  
DCI Gene Hunt
Scooby Senior
 
DCI Gene Hunt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: RIP - Tam the bam & Andy the Jock
Posts: 14,333
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Jamie
Lisa that microwave you have has a catch using a standard kitchen knife jam it in said catch then stick your head in put full power on.All Electrical problems will disappear
Seems to have done the trick with you
Old 03 November 2010, 08:33 AM
  #11  
cookstar
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (6)
 
cookstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stroke it baby!
Posts: 33,828
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Couple of hours work for a spark. £40-50 I'd expect.

Assuming you live in a house with easy access to wiring etc...
Old 03 November 2010, 08:37 AM
  #12  
cookstar
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (6)
 
cookstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stroke it baby!
Posts: 33,828
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
The only thing worth checking is if there is 2 sets of cables behind the switch faceplate, i.e. a redundant set for a second switch (the wall lights). If there is you can easily swap the single switch for a double. If not it would be cheaper to buy new lights with pulls cords than get a sparky in, unless you know one?

Surely if this was the case then the wall lights wouldn't be working now, unless you're thinking of finding connector blocks behind there?
Old 03 November 2010, 08:44 AM
  #13  
DCI Gene Hunt
Scooby Senior
 
DCI Gene Hunt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: RIP - Tam the bam & Andy the Jock
Posts: 14,333
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

That was my thought, they're either joined or all wired into the single gang switch or most likely not there.... but it's worth a quick look.
Old 03 November 2010, 08:52 AM
  #14  
MMT WRX
Scooby Regular
 
MMT WRX's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 2,278
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

And if there isn't, won't the wall need chopping out to run new cables (unless they're in conduit) and a new double switch to buy.
Sell them on and buy some with pull cords.
Old 03 November 2010, 08:54 AM
  #15  
Jamie
Super Muppet
 
Jamie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Inside out
Posts: 33,364
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

DCI i do not have a microwave
Old 03 November 2010, 01:21 PM
  #16  
pslewis
Scooby Regular
 
pslewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Old Codgers Home
Posts: 32,398
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

The power to the existing wall lights must be live at all times (unless the wall switch needs to be switched on, and then the pull cords operated - which would be a bit pointless) ... so, I would not suggest pulling the old lights away unless you know what you are doing!

However, if you need to switch the wall switch and only then will the pull cords operate the light then you can fix the new ones and use the wall switch to operate them (with no independant switch to each).

If that makes sense?

Last edited by pslewis; 03 November 2010 at 01:22 PM.
Old 03 November 2010, 01:29 PM
  #17  
what would scooby do
Scooby Senior
 
what would scooby do's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: 52 Festive Road
Posts: 28,311
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Instead of a pull cord all you need to do is leave the bulbs not fully tightened in their sockets. When you want to turn the lights on simply turn the bulb clockwise, and anticlockwise to turn them off.

Also keep an oven glove next to each light as the bulbs may be hot when you come to turn them off.

Old 03 November 2010, 02:00 PM
  #18  
speedking
Scooby Regular
 
speedking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Warrington
Posts: 4,554
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

... or leave the lights on permanently and put a tin bucket over them when you want to reduce the light level in the room
Old 03 November 2010, 02:30 PM
  #19  
Coffin Dodger
Scooby Regular
 
Coffin Dodger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Bring back infractions!
Posts: 4,554
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Jamie
Lisa that microwave you have has a catch using a standard kitchen knife jam it in said catch then stick your head in put full power on.All Electrical problems will disappear
Unusual method to fix a electrical problem such as this but you never know it might just work
Old 03 November 2010, 02:34 PM
  #20  
Coffin Dodger
Scooby Regular
 
Coffin Dodger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Bring back infractions!
Posts: 4,554
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

You could buy some pull switches, drill a suitable hole somewhere in your new lights to fit them, and wire them into the live feed. Simple enough if you know what you're doing.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/LY2242.html
Old 03 November 2010, 03:10 PM
  #21  
Jamie
Super Muppet
 
Jamie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Inside out
Posts: 33,364
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Oh **** did she do it
Old 03 November 2010, 03:13 PM
  #22  
kingofturds
Scooby Regular
Support Scoobynet!
iTrader: (1)
 
kingofturds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Zanzibar
Posts: 17,373
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Upstairs/ downstairs? stud walls or block? from the light you will need to run a switched live down to the existing switch and replace the one gang switch with a 2 gang. As long as you have your part p you are good to go.
Old 03 November 2010, 03:15 PM
  #23  
Jamie
Super Muppet
 
Jamie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Inside out
Posts: 33,364
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

That is westham talk
Old 03 November 2010, 08:36 PM
  #24  
Lisawrx
Moderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Lisawrx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Where I am
Posts: 9,729
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Coffin Dodger
You could buy some pull switches, drill a suitable hole somewhere in your new lights to fit them, and wire them into the live feed. Simple enough if you know what you're doing.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/LY2242.html
Now there is a thought.

I don't have a fecking clue, but that may not cost as much electrician time as rewiring.
Old 03 November 2010, 08:38 PM
  #25  
Lisawrx
Moderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Lisawrx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Where I am
Posts: 9,729
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by what would scooby do
Instead of a pull cord all you need to do is leave the bulbs not fully tightened in their sockets. When you want to turn the lights on simply turn the bulb clockwise, and anticlockwise to turn them off.

Also keep an oven glove next to each light as the bulbs may be hot when you come to turn them off.

That gave me an idea. I don't really like the main light on at all as it's too bright. So instead of messing with the wall light bulbs, I could just loosen all those bulbs instead.
Old 03 November 2010, 08:43 PM
  #26  
Lisawrx
Moderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Lisawrx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Where I am
Posts: 9,729
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by pslewis
The power to the existing wall lights must be live at all times (unless the wall switch needs to be switched on, and then the pull cords operated - which would be a bit pointless) ... so, I would not suggest pulling the old lights away unless you know what you are doing!

However, if you need to switch the wall switch and only then will the pull cords operate the light then you can fix the new ones and use the wall switch to operate them (with no independant switch to each).

If that makes sense?
Mus be live all of the time Pete. The wall switch doesn't need to be used at all, just the pull cord.

Originally Posted by kingofturds
Upstairs/ downstairs? stud walls or block? from the light you will need to run a switched live down to the existing switch and replace the one gang switch with a 2 gang. As long as you have your part p you are good to go.
Downstairs, in the living room. No idea about the type of wall That would be an electrician job too as I wouldn't know where to start with stuff like this.

I might start learning trades in my spare time, then I'll be able to do all this stuff myself.
Old 03 November 2010, 08:47 PM
  #27  
DCI Gene Hunt
Scooby Senior
 
DCI Gene Hunt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: RIP - Tam the bam & Andy the Jock
Posts: 14,333
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

This sounds like a job for Micky - get him a cold beer from the fridge so he can sit back and start planning what power tools he'll need
Old 03 November 2010, 08:50 PM
  #28  
Lisawrx
Moderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Lisawrx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Where I am
Posts: 9,729
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
This sounds like a job for Micky - get him a cold beer from the fridge so he can sit back and start planning what power tools he'll need


He's managed sockets and switches, don't think his skills stretch quite this far.

This is what I get for being cheap.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
KAS35RSTI
Subaru
27
04 November 2021 07:12 PM
just me
Non Scooby Related
26
03 January 2020 11:12 AM
Abx
Subaru
22
09 January 2016 05:42 PM
dpb
Non Scooby Related
14
03 October 2015 10:37 AM
the shreksta
Other Marques
26
01 October 2015 02:30 PM



Quick Reply: Electrical help



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:16 PM.