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Old 17 June 2010, 07:42 AM
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A grandmother has been jailed for five years for possessing a "family heirloom" World War II pistol.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/10335003.stm

5 years??!!! are they mad?
Old 17 June 2010, 08:10 AM
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A bit of bird in her ?
Old 17 June 2010, 08:19 AM
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If it was a family heirloom that was being held innocently, why was it being hidden under the mattress?
Old 17 June 2010, 08:48 AM
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Laws the law to be fair like... and after events like whitehaven, you've got to respect it
Old 17 June 2010, 08:58 AM
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i can imagine the interview

" Sorry officer i hid it under my mattress becuase my 5 year old grandson kept trying to shoot the cat! "
Old 17 June 2010, 09:16 AM
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Did she have any ammunition for it?

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Old 17 June 2010, 09:18 AM
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This strikes me as odd.

"The case began after police arrived at the 53-year-old's home on 17 June 2009 with an arrest warrant for her son who had failed to turn up for a court appearance. "

They turned up to nick her son so they searched for him under 'her' bed?

As it was an arrest warrant and not a search warrant did they have grounds to search 'her' belongings even though the warrant was for him?
Old 17 June 2010, 09:19 AM
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This strikes me as odd.

"The case began after police arrived at the 53-year-old's home on 17 June 2009 with an arrest warrant for her son who had failed to turn up for a court appearance. "

They turned up to nick her son so they searched for him under 'her' bed?

As it was an arrest warrant and not a search warrant did they have grounds to search 'her' belongings even though the warrant was for him?
Old 17 June 2010, 09:21 AM
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I understand the implications after such tragic events as Whitehaven - but there was no ammunition which I think is the key thing, its 76 years old, she is 53 is not like she was waving the gun around.
Taking the gun away and a few years probation would be a better call in my eyes

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Double post !
Old 17 June 2010, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Did she have any ammunition for it?

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Nope not AFAIK, it said the gun was unloaded but did not mention any ammunition to be found.
Old 17 June 2010, 10:02 AM
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Sounds like certain facts have been omitted to improve the "wrong-ness" of the story.
Old 17 June 2010, 10:03 AM
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Ammo or no ammo, a gun is a gun... not only is her son obviously a scumbag, shes also a grandmother, and shes got it in a canny obvious place that any burglar would find it, then theres another spaka on the loose with a gun ready to destroy someones life.

... am sure those of you with kids wouldn't be to happy to have your young'ns around at grannies when theres a gun under her bed!
Old 17 June 2010, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by EddScott
Sounds like certain facts have been omitted to improve the "wrong-ness" of the story.
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Old 17 June 2010, 10:40 AM
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Is my memory failing me, or did they not bring a law in, (probably back in the early nineties) that anyone convicted of processing an unlicensed firearm would get a mandatory 12 year sentence?

But regardless, unless they're (obviously) not telling the whole story, it doe's seem particularly harsh, considering some people serve less time for killing someone.
Old 17 June 2010, 10:45 AM
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"She admitted illegal possession of the firearm, an offence with a minimum five-year jail term under Scots law."
Old 17 June 2010, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by shaunywrx
Is my memory failing me, or did they not bring a law in, (probably back in the early nineties) that anyone convicted of processing an unlicensed firearm would get a mandatory 12 year sentence?

But regardless, unless they're (obviously) not telling the whole story, it doe's seem particularly harsh, considering some people serve less time for killing someone.
Its a 5 year min if found with a gun. Even if you are just "keeping" it for someone else.

Ammo is covered under a different law.

If its a war trophy you get it deactivated. And you put it on the wall or in a cabinet on show. You dont hide it under your bed!
Old 17 June 2010, 11:32 AM
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I guess the judge thought it was an "heirloom" and not an heirloom.
IMO, a good lawyer would have pushed the "hairloom" defence.
Old 17 June 2010, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cster
I guess the judge thought it was an "heirloom" and not an heirloom.
IMO, a good lawyer would have pushed the "hairloom" defence.
Good going... in pointing out my typing error you managed to type "heirloom" twice in the first sentence.
Old 17 June 2010, 12:29 PM
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Just shows how easy it can be to make a typo doesn't it!

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Old 17 June 2010, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaybird-UK
Good going... in pointing out my typing error you managed to type "heirloom" twice in the first sentence.
I think you will see I typed "heirloom" once and heirloom the same.
Wouldn't worry about typos too much if I were you - I certainly wouldn't have pointed it out except for the punny aspect.
Old 17 June 2010, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Just shows how easy it can be to make a typo doesn't it!

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You won't catch me making many tpyo's
Old 17 June 2010, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cster
I certainly wouldn't have pointed it out except for the punny aspect.
Indeed, quite a funny typo really

Here is someone working a hair(horse)loom
Old 17 June 2010, 02:47 PM
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And they wonder why prisons are overcrowded

She is of no risk to the public, she didn't have ammunition for it.

Lunacy over common sense.
Old 17 June 2010, 04:08 PM
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I'm normally the first to cry foul at the British system of law.

However, "He was not at the flat, but the 80-year-old pistol was found underneath a mattress in her bedroom."

You don't keep family heirloom's under the matress. I could understand if was in a display cabinet, on a mantel peice or in a box of trinkets and memories........but under a mattress? Come on!
Old 17 June 2010, 05:16 PM
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would it of been a 7.65mm as well, as thet seams big for a pistol
Old 17 June 2010, 05:25 PM
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Sounds like it was the sons and she was taking the flack for it.
Old 17 June 2010, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cster
I guess the judge thought it was an "heirloom" and not an heirloom.
IMO, a good lawyer would have pushed the "hairloom" defence.
Maybe he should have gone for the Chewbacca defence?




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Old 17 June 2010, 05:41 PM
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family heirloom? yeh right. makes it sound like an old inert rusty ornament, this colt1911 style of gun is still being made today

it will look like thi:-
Old 17 June 2010, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jer
Sounds like it was the sons and she was taking the flack for it.
I agree, sounds like a family of scruffneck vagabonds.


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