ScoobyWon't

... unless you happen to take so much that you then try car-jacking and get ran over by the driver.

Tonight has been great fun.

Young lad completely off his face, then decides he wants to kick off with the paramedics in the ambulance and then the doctors and nurses in A&E.

He's covered in cuts when I arrive - and screaming something akin to a Morrisey song. Myself and fellow officer are escorted through to the cubicle. ******** is still kicking off and it's taking 4 security guards to restrain him. He's spitting at them, trying to bite and kicking violently at the nurses who are trying to help him.

At this point we step in - the cuffs go on, the limb restraints go round his legs. The struggling continues to the point where I'm lying across his knees and lower legs to prevent him kicking more and my colleague and the security guards are restraining his torso, while the nurses are trying to take obs and prepare to sedate him.

Every word out of him mouth between the screaming/Morrisey began with F. If it wasn't a word beginning with F or the screaming/Morrisey, it was more spitting. A canula was eventually inserted and he was desperately trying to pull it out - not really achievable when rigid cuffed.

After managing to sedate the lad, we then got the count of what the staff had been subject to. One paramedic had been assaulted, both had been spat on. Three security guards had been spat on and one nurse had received a kick, while one received a punch from a flailing arm and had been spat on.

It took about 45 minutes for this kid to calm down. His friend's mum was saying that he'd only had Malibu and that he was about to join the marines. His friend admitted he been taking MCat immediately prior to going loopy.

Once he was actually calm, and knowing what he had taken, we needed to search him to see if he had anything on him.

It was at this point that he pissed himself.

I wasn't happy when I saw the urine running down on to my limb restraints. I'll need a new set now. About 15-0 minutes later, he did it again.

Anyway, throughout this whole incident, even though he was being a complete tool and had physically assaulted so many people at the hospital, none of the staff there wanted to press charges or confirm any assaults had taken place, merely help him out. I'm sure they'll be bruised in the morning.

Personally, I don't think it's fair that they should have to put up with this.

Laddo will be feeling like crap when he eventually comes down. It's a shame we couldn't video this to stick on youtube, or similar, so people could see the effects of this stuff.

So there you go - harmless

The Zohan

The effects sounds as bad as being on Crystal Meth/Ice.

Do you carry a tazer and would this likely subdue him?

In your opinion what is the w@nker likely to get for this sort of behaviour, could you please update on what fitting punishment the CPS see fit.

TonyBurns

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He wont be joining the royal marines now

Tony

SJ_Skyline

You should sell your story to the Daily Mail - I'm sure they would pay enough for a new set of restraints

Shocking story which I have no doubt is played out every weekend in A&E up and down the country. I have so much respect for the doctors and nurses that do that job week in, week out.

David Lock

Paul - he wasn't taking any illegal drugs so clear on that front and nurses have said they don't want to press charges. Breach of the Peace?

Do they use straight jackets any more?

If this were my son I would be heartbroken.

dl

Alg

I'm not condoning drug use but I wonder how many di**heads they also had to deal with that were just as pathetic under the influence of alcohol on that night/weekend?

All credit to anyone who has to deal with or has to help these sad weak willed ar**holes.

StickyMicky

Lets hope the chap does not come onto SN and find out that you told everybody that he pissed himself, you show a remarkable amount of professionalism.

StickyMicky

A ******** is generally a ********, no matter what kind of state he is in, if the chap was not on this new metha-mong stuff, then no doubt he would have been on something else, maybe 20 pints of stella.

EddScott

Its not a "proper" night out unless you **** yourself at least once

Irrespective of this Mcat stuff, many people behave in that manner just from drinking. In between Christmas and New Year 09 my wife had to have her appendix out and there was a drunk in the A&E section that went beserk.

My understanding is that its not a pyschotic type drug (like LSD for instance) so your unlikely to "flid out" on this Mcat stuff - assuming it provides a similar if dirtier feeling to good old fashioned MDMA. Not saying you wouldn't but this Mcat scare is similar to the MDMA scare stories of the 90s. Don't see why it just isn't banned immediately like everything else - which as we know puts it into the hands of criminals which as we know puts even more danger on to those that take it.

Coffin Dodger

My thoughts exactly. Typical Daily Mail type sensationalism is being used by the OP against the latest drug trend. Whilst I can't particularly condone the use of the stuff, neither would I condemn or defend it without trying it first. I suspect there are many thousands of people in the country taking the stuff and not causing any bother to anyone. As far as I understand it this stuff is a sort of Ecstasy / Speed type substitute and lets face it most people who take that kind of stuff are generally harmless but there will always be the odd one of two who take it too far / do too much and get out of control.

I've dabbled with a fair amount of stuff over the years, well in my past now, but at no time did I ever feel completely out of control or consider doing a car jacking

If you ask me this guy was a bit of a nutter well before drugs got involved.

And finally I do wonder about the professionalism of the OP for posting this stuff. If it did end up in the press I expect his/her superiors may have a thing or two to say about it.

The Zohan

Hi David - spitting on someone can be assault and this is what he should be charged with.

He had a choice - take ths stuff or not, he chose to and should get punished for his actions as a result of choosing to take it.

As for illegal or not, it seems people can get p*ssed, take mind altering drugs (illegal or not) and get away with it - half the problem of this country is that people know their rights but to hell with their or indeed any responsibilies.

Obviously not all people but it seems more and more so.

The Zohan

Can you not comprehend that the drug use resulted/affected in his actions???

Denial is a wonderful thing

Leslie

If he was my son I would be ashamed that I had not brought him up better to keep away from any of these so called harmless drugs!

Les

Leslie

I have to say that I think your attitude towards these kinds of drugs is in error. I think it is a mistake to imply that such mind altering substances can be regarded as harmless. At the very least they are a strong lead-in to taking the really bad Class A drugs. Too easy to get into the tragic downward "death" spiral that we see so often.

Nothing wrong with the "professional" behaviour of the OP. It might well be taken as a warning and you can't knock that. Its not as though he identified the lad.

Les

EddScott

It may have to an extent but I would put money on the greater reason for his behaviour was the alcohol. Those deaths "linked" to this stuff - the stories also mention the use of other drugs and alcohol.

I really really don't like alcohol. I don't like the feeling very much, I don't like the hangover - a come-down I can cope with far better than a hangover. When we go out (not often) I try my hardest to make sure I've got some speed (or the closest thing you can get in this country) to negate the effects of the alcohol. It sounds silly I know to take one drug to stop the effects of the other but it works.

When you get too hot from MDMA it helps to have little beer to cool your internal body temp.

Coffin Dodger

Yes I can, but as StickyMicky has already said twenty pints of Stella could have had the same effect on him. Mcat does not immediately send you off into some kind of la-la land where you have no idea what you're doing / what is going on. Try Ketamine for that Normal people do not got out and attempt to jack cars regardless of how wasted they are. This guy was obviously a ***** before he started on the drugs / booze / whatever.

STi wanna Subaru

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Maybe worth a read.

Drugs in Portugal: Did Decriminalization Work? - TIME

Jamie

That aint Miaow miaow as paul said meth

The Zohan

Alcohol may have played a part, the effects of this drug are known to be 'as described' in extreme cases. As you point out you do not like booze, does not mean booze is the cause though.

Speed is not really the closest thing though is it, crack/coke/ice would be better comparisons. FRANK - MCAT

I have had a friend have a psycotic episode on coke, some drink involved and a lack of sleep but a lot of coke, not a pretty sight, she complely lost it and went literally mental for 5 mins and had to be seriously restrained by her friends.

Coffin Dodger

Another Daily Mail reader wades in

All drug taking leads to Class A abuse, I don't think so. I've tried most stuff as have many of my friends and acquaintances but never smack or crack, I sure I could have got it if I wanted it but never had any desire to try these types of drugs as I know what they do to people. There is a long history and a lot of evidence as to why doing these types of drugs are bad.

Mcat is just a MDMA / amphetamine substitute, it's chemical construction is very similar. People can take these sorts of drugs in a sensible manner and carry on with normal lives. There will always be a few who are an exception to this rule, but then there are a lot of alcoholics in this country

StickyMicky

I used to live next to a family, 2 older boys and one girl my age, i snogged the lass a few times and used to play football with one of the brothers, i generally stayed away from the other brother as he was a fooken mentalist.

The brother i played football with was the hard one, but you would never know, he was a good kid, his brother on the other hand was a serial nutcase, always fighting and getting into grief, yet the good brother could smack him about and sort him out when needed.

I used to be what i consider a pretty heavy user of base/speed/E`s when i was about 16-24 years old, in fact i can remember getting a load of E`s in for new years eve, (one hundred of the ****ers!) and us having a little warm up party to test them out the weekend before new year, and we cained them all one weekend iirc i lost the ability of counting how many i had once i got to about 13

Never saw the family for years when we moved away, until i was at a mutual friends party one night and we were all off our cherubs


In came the good brother, i was like " alllllllll reeeeeet like paul? hows things? " then i remembered the bad brother, who came in about 30 secs later with a cut lip and what looked like bloody knuckles

Compleately off his face (what was left of it) he had just started a fight with somebodys car and was then planted by the cars owner.

The kid is a ********, always was, i have witnessed him on most of the older class A drugs, and he was a ******** on all of them, and i bet he is still a ******** on the new legal ones.

It was at this point that i got out from the "scene" completely, found some new mates (still kept in touch with the old ones though) and generally decided that i could not be arsed with it any more.

My old mates still totally cain them, every weekend, same old house party's or nightclubs, majority not getting into trouble at all, i look back and cringe to be honest.

I had a weird OCD about drugs though in that i was happy to eat a pill, or put some base/speed into a cupper, but i have never ever snorted anything as i saw it as wrong.

EddScott

My point was that IMO, alcohol is the catalyst that causes these episodes - not necessarily the drug itself. I made the comment about speed largely because of the absurd way I try to avoid being drunk when I go out. I could just not drink but being straight all night just bores me rigid.

I've seen friends go nuts with certain drugs and had a couple of frightening moments with a few of them - not personally though.

Every single case your going to have a mixture of alcohol and some other drug. The other drugs tend to make you tighten up whereas alcohol has the opposite effect. It also has similar opposite effects (influence on body temps that sort of thing)

Education is needed here. A new drug should really only be taken at home with trusted friends where your relatively safe and in safe hands. Not out on the town where anything could happen.

Oh - a point about one drug leading to another. I have to say I suspect an element of truth in it but not to the extent that is portrayed in that idiotic paper the Daily Fail. I am of the opinion that all drugs should not be legalised but perhaps in some cases re-classified to remove the serious criminal element. Hardline criminals couldn't give a monkeys if the pills they sell kill people. Take out that element and you reduce the risk death although a slight increase is useage may occur - again good education is needed.

Leslie

I reckon that taking such drugs must have some kind of additive deleterious effect on one's body after a period of usage. Just as alcohol or cigarettes will. I certainly don't believe that they are totally harmless.

Everyone used to say that cannabis was totally harmless but now we know that it is character changing leading to schizophrenia.

My obvious question is, why do people feel the need to take them anyway? is it just to enjoy an artificial "rush" , or is it to boost one's personality in an effort to impress? Do people need them to be able to enjoy each other's company?

It is bound to risk damage to your brain or body, or both which will show itself in later life? Some don't even get that far in fact!

As well as all that above, it also encourages serious crime in order to get the wherewithal to purchase them.

Is it really worth it?

Les

The Zohan

Les

the exact same can be said of drink/alcohol

bigsinky

for give the ignorance here but is this the same as ephidrine that bodybuilders take before a show?

Syncros

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As aforementioned the effects of any drug are primarily down to the individual and as with any drug be'it alcohol or mcat sadly it'll forever be the bad stories you'll hear about and the negative press it will always inevitably receive due to the minority that abuse it.. It'll always be taboo because it's a drug, an drugs are bad, mmmKay?

Jamie

No

Jamie

4-methylmethcathinone £10 24hrs and it will be posted to you

Jamie

Anyone know that chemical compound crap they use in the states makes you feel like superman ?

My mind has gone blank it aint crack cocaine

Jamz3k

Nowt wrong with drugs, I had some fantastic times whilst completely rubbered just as I have had with alcohol.

Its the not the drug, its just some of the users you have to be concerned about.