Toyota Throttle Fault?
05 February 2010, 12:35 PM
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Toyota Throttle Fault?
Is the BBC nes department now a subsidiary of Heat magazine 
BBC News - How do you stop a car with a jammed accelerator?
I'm sure they could have squeezed one or two more cliches or exagerations in there if they really tried
Some of the responses do make you wonder how easy it is for clueless fcukwits to get their hands on a driving licence these days though
BBC News - How do you stop a car with a jammed accelerator?
I'm sure they could have squeezed one or two more cliches or exagerations in there if they really tried
Some of the responses do make you wonder how easy it is for clueless fcukwits to get their hands on a driving licence these days though
05 February 2010, 12:42 PM
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CEO of Toyota UK was on BBC news this morning talking about recalls due to ABS fault on Prius.
He said it was due to the software and about how agressive the ABS operated on ice or very bumpy roads.
The guy who was sitting next to the lovely Suzanna Ried said, "so there is a chance my brakes may fail over speed bumps?" WTF?
So it seems in the UK there is no throttle fault, and it's ABS on the Prius only.
He said it was due to the software and about how agressive the ABS operated on ice or very bumpy roads.
The guy who was sitting next to the lovely Suzanna Ried said, "so there is a chance my brakes may fail over speed bumps?" WTF?
So it seems in the UK there is no throttle fault, and it's ABS on the Prius only.
05 February 2010, 01:01 PM
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CEO of Toyota UK was on BBC news this morning talking about recalls due to ABS fault on Prius.
He said it was due to the software and about how agressive the ABS operated on ice or very bumpy roads.
The guy who was sitting next to the lovely Suzanna Ried said, "so there is a chance my brakes may fail over speed bumps?" WTF?
So it seems in the UK there is no throttle fault, and it's ABS on the Prius only.
He said it was due to the software and about how agressive the ABS operated on ice or very bumpy roads.
The guy who was sitting next to the lovely Suzanna Ried said, "so there is a chance my brakes may fail over speed bumps?" WTF?
So it seems in the UK there is no throttle fault, and it's ABS on the Prius only.
05 February 2010, 01:08 PM
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I'm forgetting nothing.
I'm repeating what the CEO of Toyota and the BBC presenters was talking about.
No other models of toyota, or makes of other cars were mentioned.
I'm repeating what the CEO of Toyota and the BBC presenters was talking about.
No other models of toyota, or makes of other cars were mentioned.
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05 February 2010, 01:12 PM
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Not correct.
05 February 2010, 01:56 PM
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why dont they drop down gears and let the engine blow bouncing off the limiter if that happens?
tbh dunno what i'd do if i was stook in a car with jammed accelerator lo ljust read the article i suppose dipping clutch and pulling to side is best idea, not sure it will come to your mind at the time when panicking though
tbh dunno what i'd do if i was stook in a car with jammed accelerator lo ljust read the article i suppose dipping clutch and pulling to side is best idea, not sure it will come to your mind at the time when panicking though
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05 February 2010, 01:59 PM
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Surely you'd just let it blow?
Drop the clutch and brake to a halt.
I had the throttle stick in my 1275GT once. Top bit of degin, metal throttle lead through a hole in the bulkhead so the two rusted up. Luckily i was on a long straight (downhill though) and managed to pry the pedal up with my left foot. Left the car at the bottom of the hill though and got it recovered + fitted with a plastic throttle cable.
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EDIT post above from www.Bt3a.com (give credit dude)
Drop the clutch and brake to a halt.
I had the throttle stick in my 1275GT once. Top bit of degin, metal throttle lead through a hole in the bulkhead so the two rusted up. Luckily i was on a long straight (downhill though) and managed to pry the pedal up with my left foot. Left the car at the bottom of the hill though and got it recovered + fitted with a plastic throttle cable.
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EDIT post above from www.Bt3a.com (give credit dude)
05 February 2010, 02:16 PM
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it wouldnt blow?
my mate told me of a guy who dropped his civic type r from 6th to third by accident, over revved and blew the engine...
computer data said it revved to 13,000 rpm! when it went to dealers under warranty..
soooo i think it would blow..
my mate told me of a guy who dropped his civic type r from 6th to third by accident, over revved and blew the engine...
computer data said it revved to 13,000 rpm! when it went to dealers under warranty..
soooo i think it would blow..
05 February 2010, 02:25 PM
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Ah, well yes, it would do it if you did that!
But if you just put the clutch in and used the brakes to slow you down, then turn off the eingine when you had stopped you'd be OK.
But if you just put the clutch in and used the brakes to slow you down, then turn off the eingine when you had stopped you'd be OK.
05 February 2010, 02:52 PM
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Apply the handbrake - what? at 60MPH you want me to pull the handbrake?
Turn the engine off - so whatever braking I may or may not have is now un-assisted and the steering has become dangerously heavy.
She said at no point did they suggest dipping the clutch or knocking it into neutral if its an auto.
And as for Breakfast this morning, the smug oik next to the fit lass clearly realised the CEO of Toyota wasn't very happy about attempting to explain ABS. This made him nervous so smug boy goes on smug-overload, props his head up with his hand in that "your boring me" pose people do and asks him if his brakes are going to fail.
"Carry on speaking to me like that sunshine and I guarantee they will fail"
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Come on yourself!
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05 February 2010, 04:08 PM
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As long as you think you'd remember to do that, then good for you.
But your brakes will be pretty ineffective, and steering very hard work.....as you will no doubt be aware.
But your brakes will be pretty ineffective, and steering very hard work.....as you will no doubt be aware.
05 February 2010, 05:06 PM
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On the one with the family killed the normal things you might try weren't available.
The car was a loaner from the dealership, so the driver was unfamiliar with it.
There is no ignition key on that model. To turn the engine off manually you have to hold the 'start' button down for at least three seconds, and it seems that nobody had explained that. Leaving the car would probably do it, but would you throw the key card out of the window on the off-chance?
The transmission was some sort of semi-auto (no clutch), and almost certainly protects itself from changes that would destroy the engine.
The brakes were on fire according to witnesses.
The car was a loaner from the dealership, so the driver was unfamiliar with it.
There is no ignition key on that model. To turn the engine off manually you have to hold the 'start' button down for at least three seconds, and it seems that nobody had explained that. Leaving the car would probably do it, but would you throw the key card out of the window on the off-chance?
The transmission was some sort of semi-auto (no clutch), and almost certainly protects itself from changes that would destroy the engine.
The brakes were on fire according to witnesses.
05 February 2010, 10:24 PM
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CEO of Toyota UK was on BBC news this morning talking about recalls due to ABS fault on Prius.
He said it was due to the software and about how agressive the ABS operated on ice or very bumpy roads.
The guy who was sitting next to the lovely Suzanna Ried said, "so there is a chance my brakes may fail over speed bumps?" WTF?
He said it was due to the software and about how agressive the ABS operated on ice or very bumpy roads.
The guy who was sitting next to the lovely Suzanna Ried said, "so there is a chance my brakes may fail over speed bumps?" WTF?
No **** Sherlock
I feel sorry for the Toyota boss, who tried to explain (despite English not being his native language) that the ABS was tuned to be a little aggressive but there had been no reported problems in Europe.
The BBC Breakfast (previously know as the Breakfast News) - dumbing down reality on behalf of the licence payers
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On the one with the family killed the normal things you might try weren't available.
The car was a loaner from the dealership, so the driver was unfamiliar with it.
There is no ignition key on that model. To turn the engine off manually you have to hold the 'start' button down for at least three seconds, and it seems that nobody had explained that. Leaving the car would probably do it, but would you throw the key card out of the window on the off-chance?
The transmission was some sort of semi-auto (no clutch), and almost certainly protects itself from changes that would destroy the engine.
The brakes were on fire according to witnesses.
The car was a loaner from the dealership, so the driver was unfamiliar with it.
There is no ignition key on that model. To turn the engine off manually you have to hold the 'start' button down for at least three seconds, and it seems that nobody had explained that. Leaving the car would probably do it, but would you throw the key card out of the window on the off-chance?
The transmission was some sort of semi-auto (no clutch), and almost certainly protects itself from changes that would destroy the engine.
The brakes were on fire according to witnesses.
05 February 2010, 10:41 PM
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05 February 2010, 10:52 PM
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That sounds like a dangerous design. I have a Citroen C4 with their electronic gear system that won't let me change up if it would drop the engine revs too much, and I assume (although I've never tried) wouldn't let me change down if it would over-rev the engine. However it still has a manual level to put it in neutral that can't be overriden by any of the electronics - there's no way I would have bought it if it didn't.
05 February 2010, 11:00 PM
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As ricardo has posted and indeed what I said on the first thread yesterday about this, concerning the Lexus driver, somewhat sheds a completely different light on what may have actually been the case.
You can't turn a key off in a key-less car and if you don't know the 3 second button procedure you're not going to be turning the engine off any time soon. Maybe the auto box wouldn't go into neutral for whatever reason. That leaves you only one sensible option to stand on the brakes. The report made it clear the cars brakes were shot, so at a guess the driver did this.
Mentioning keys and old mechanical designs appear to be totally irrelevant in this sad case.
You can't turn a key off in a key-less car and if you don't know the 3 second button procedure you're not going to be turning the engine off any time soon. Maybe the auto box wouldn't go into neutral for whatever reason. That leaves you only one sensible option to stand on the brakes. The report made it clear the cars brakes were shot, so at a guess the driver did this.
Mentioning keys and old mechanical designs appear to be totally irrelevant in this sad case.
05 February 2010, 11:30 PM
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Crazy, I was at first thinking what a ********, but it makes sence really, no key to shut engine off, no clutch pedal and a stick you have no idea what it does (will it or wont it do something?)
My Mam would be in the same situation, she really would,
My Mam would be in the same situation, she really would,
05 February 2010, 11:40 PM
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Interesting thing I found on the Seat is if you press the brake pedal at the same time as pressing the accelerator pedal, it cuts the power and activates the automatic brake assist system (basically, the car does an emergency stop, until I release the pedals).
This is probably a safegaurd against pedals being jammed by unsecured floor mats (which people should pay alot more care and attention to - My dad was a b**ger for this), or people driving with plaster casts on their right foot.
So top tip in a Seat Altea TDi (and maybe other VAG cars too) ; Don't try overcome turbo lag and spool up the turbo by using left foot braking.
Pulling the handbrake switch on a Bentley Continental GT does the same thing (cuts power and activates emergency brake assist), not that many people do that, but I thought I'd mention it just incase there are any Conti GT owners out there with errant lambswool floormats.
This is probably a safegaurd against pedals being jammed by unsecured floor mats (which people should pay alot more care and attention to - My dad was a b**ger for this), or people driving with plaster casts on their right foot.
So top tip in a Seat Altea TDi (and maybe other VAG cars too) ; Don't try overcome turbo lag and spool up the turbo by using left foot braking.
Pulling the handbrake switch on a Bentley Continental GT does the same thing (cuts power and activates emergency brake assist), not that many people do that, but I thought I'd mention it just incase there are any Conti GT owners out there with errant lambswool floormats.
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