Forced body x-ray scans at airports starting next week,
27 January 2010, 07:28 AM
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They are not forrced, if you don't want to be involved then don't travel by air, holiday in the uk or use a ferry, I hear france is nice!
If you use air travel through work then consider looking at a new job, simple
Ok maybe it will be an issue for people travelling through work who have major objections but personally I think anything which makes air travel safer is a good thing and i'm all for it.
If you use air travel through work then consider looking at a new job, simple
Ok maybe it will be an issue for people travelling through work who have major objections but personally I think anything which makes air travel safer is a good thing and i'm all for it.
27 January 2010, 07:52 AM
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27 January 2010, 08:04 AM
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The radiation dose from one of these scans is the equivalent of 1/1000 of one small xray taken at the dentist (if you go).
The machine does not xray through your body, it just scans the surface.
The additional radiation (due to altitude) to the human body from the flight you are about to take (after your scan) will be significantly greater than that you will receive from the scan.
Whether they stop bombers is another question altogether.
The machine does not xray through your body, it just scans the surface.
The additional radiation (due to altitude) to the human body from the flight you are about to take (after your scan) will be significantly greater than that you will receive from the scan.
Whether they stop bombers is another question altogether.
27 January 2010, 08:04 AM
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...except that they wouldn't have spotted the pant-bomber, nor the shoe-bomber, nor the Lockerbie bomber and would have to be installed at every single airport in the entire world first to cope with transit passengers and would cost billions to implement and will massively inconvenience passengers and could well put airlines (and airports) out of business and actually mean that the so-called "terrorists" have already won!
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Surely the xray system is still better than the current system, no system is perfect currently, it's all about reducing risk, and realistically it won't put airlines out of business the vast majority will accept it and keep on travelling, people will not give up their holidays or travelling on business for the sake of losing 5 minutes at an airport.
It was cause far less damage to airlines than 9/11 did
27 January 2010, 08:20 AM
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Comment from Mock the Week last week (or roughly as I remember it - but the giste is the same). 'If pervy old men are having to sit in boxes looking at scans of naked, wrinkly bodies, doesn't that mean the terrorists have won?' ....
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27 January 2010, 08:54 AM
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As soon as I heard on the news about the incident on the Holland-to-America flight on xmas day I turned to my family and said, "That has been set up to ensure that the new body scanners they are installing are mandatory"
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27 January 2010, 09:19 AM
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...except that they wouldn't have spotted the pant-bomber, nor the shoe-bomber, nor the Lockerbie bomber and would have to be installed at every single airport in the entire world first to cope with transit passengers and would cost billions to implement and will massively inconvenience passengers and could well put airlines (and airports) out of business and actually mean that the so-called "terrorists" have already won!
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27 January 2010, 10:16 AM
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If getting xrayed by one of these machines means the difference between sitting on a plane with a Islamic nutter or not sitting on a plane with an Islamic nutter I'll happily take my chance with the scan
27 January 2010, 11:03 AM
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27 January 2010, 11:24 AM
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From what I remember, these are not X-rays anyway, it's millimetre wave.
So no more damaging than say taking a mobile phone call. Anyway, you'll get a lot more radiation on the flight than being put through the scanner.
So no more damaging than say taking a mobile phone call. Anyway, you'll get a lot more radiation on the flight than being put through the scanner.
27 January 2010, 11:59 AM
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Dont say i didnt warn you people. Our government is now forcing us through these machines at airports resulting in a radiation penalty everytime we travel in and out of the country. Cancer anyone! Looks like i wont be travelling ever again. These things havent even been tested properly and i read reserch not long ago by an independant scientist stating its only time before they make people seriously ill as they emit nasty radiation which isnt being looked at. This controlling government is certainly picking up pace wouldnt you say?
Wasnt it only last month they said we would have the option of a pat down if we didnt want to go through the scanners? You see how they get their foot in. Inch by inch all under a bogus claim. With everything that is going on im really starting to get down over all this restriction being imposed on us.
Airline passengers have 'no right' to refuse naked body scanners | UK news | guardian.co.uk
Wasnt it only last month they said we would have the option of a pat down if we didnt want to go through the scanners? You see how they get their foot in. Inch by inch all under a bogus claim. With everything that is going on im really starting to get down over all this restriction being imposed on us.
Airline passengers have 'no right' to refuse naked body scanners | UK news | guardian.co.uk
Get your facts right FFS, they don't use X-rays!!!
27 January 2010, 12:02 PM
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27 January 2010, 12:22 PM
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been there done that. implemented in belfast in the 70s ffs. handbags searched and metal detector wand waved about your body or a pat down search.
27 January 2010, 12:42 PM
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I've actually taken a conscious decision to no longer bother holidaying abroad.
Not because of the scanners, but because I'd rather spend my own time making my leisurely way to somewhere, than waste it waiting in a queues
Not because of the scanners, but because I'd rather spend my own time making my leisurely way to somewhere, than waste it waiting in a queues
27 January 2010, 12:44 PM
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at the end of the day if it is going to deter any terrorist spoiling my hols then i can live with that. on second thoughts maybe it is best if i dont go on my hols, i might get sunburnt and die a nasty cancerous ridden death oh nooooooooooo....
27 January 2010, 12:51 PM
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theres just something very wrong with this whole thing IMO. I wouldnt put my kids through one of these machines no matter whos sitting looking at the pictures. i just wouldnt!
im all for safer air travel but i think theres a point at which the line is crossed and ethically i think these scanners raise too many questions. certainly for me anyway.
I also dont like the idea of me or the wife being scanned by them.
im totally against them and there will be other ways of reducing risk without such personal intrusion. i dont know what they are but they need to be found instead of this bull****.
i also think its ridiculous to try and justify them with "im for anything that makes travel safer"
next thing theyll be shoving the explosives up their **** and then what are we do move to? full cavity searches??? when do you draw a line!?
also, do we just keep accepting everything the government throws at us that we have to do?? more and more restrictions and rules and all at a greater cost. whos going to pay for these new scanners and their huge training and implimentation cost??
thats right, us.
by bringing something like this into mainstream it will have incredibly wide reaching reprucissions well beyond the " it makes air travel safer" crap.
well thats my view on the whole thing and im sticking to it.
im all for safer air travel but i think theres a point at which the line is crossed and ethically i think these scanners raise too many questions. certainly for me anyway.
I also dont like the idea of me or the wife being scanned by them.
im totally against them and there will be other ways of reducing risk without such personal intrusion. i dont know what they are but they need to be found instead of this bull****.
i also think its ridiculous to try and justify them with "im for anything that makes travel safer"
next thing theyll be shoving the explosives up their **** and then what are we do move to? full cavity searches??? when do you draw a line!?
also, do we just keep accepting everything the government throws at us that we have to do?? more and more restrictions and rules and all at a greater cost. whos going to pay for these new scanners and their huge training and implimentation cost??
thats right, us.
by bringing something like this into mainstream it will have incredibly wide reaching reprucissions well beyond the " it makes air travel safer" crap.
well thats my view on the whole thing and im sticking to it.
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27 January 2010, 12:54 PM
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27 January 2010, 12:58 PM
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I can see how it's a good idea. I'd rather be sat on a plane knowing the half dozen muslims seated near me had been through this scanner, rather than sat looking at them to see if they start fiddling inside their undercrackers, or trying to set the touchpaper on their shoes.
However, I do think it should just be Muslims that have to go through these things. Normal White English families going on Holiday are unlikely to be out to blow the plane up.
I guess doing this would mean discrimination, and that would leave the door open for every Muslim scum to sue the Government.
However, I do think it should just be Muslims that have to go through these things. Normal White English families going on Holiday are unlikely to be out to blow the plane up.
I guess doing this would mean discrimination, and that would leave the door open for every Muslim scum to sue the Government.
27 January 2010, 12:59 PM
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well an xray/wave etc etc machine that shows a naked body isnt going to show up internal explosives, so then what, you have to have two scans and a full cavity search plus a compulsory vomitting to make sure you havent swallowed some explosive device??
open the flood gates for intrusive controls is all im saying.
steady on with the comments too gents, theres a lot of blatant racism in some of them coming through, maybe without intent but its still there.
open the flood gates for intrusive controls is all im saying.
steady on with the comments too gents, theres a lot of blatant racism in some of them coming through, maybe without intent but its still there.
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27 January 2010, 01:07 PM
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here we go
Al Qaeda Bombers Learn from Drug Smugglers - CBS Evening News - CBS News
To get a pound of explosives and a detanator up there must have taken quite a bit of doing unless he had a bottomless pit for a hoop, I'm surprised he managed to get so much into his bumholio TBH, would have been funny watching him trying to squeeze out a fart though
Al Qaeda Bombers Learn from Drug Smugglers - CBS Evening News - CBS News
Asieri had a pound of high explosives, plus a detonator inserted in his rectum.
27 January 2010, 01:23 PM
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Oh FFS who gives a flying, just walk through it, get on the plane and enjoy your holiday, it wont kill you, nobody is going to look at the pictures to get their jollies and it may help, if the goverments werent invading other countries full of grumpy religous nutters and bombing them they might not be so fixated on blowing up airliners to make a point.
Our governments are lurking in these countries prentending they give one about the population and regime, they are there for the oil and the rights to mine it so we can keep our oil based ecomonies going, the Yanks are nothing without oil being traded in dollars and that is dying and we are nothing without the yanks nowadays.
We are stuck with it now, live with it or stay home
Our governments are lurking in these countries prentending they give one about the population and regime, they are there for the oil and the rights to mine it so we can keep our oil based ecomonies going, the Yanks are nothing without oil being traded in dollars and that is dying and we are nothing without the yanks nowadays.
We are stuck with it now, live with it or stay home
27 January 2010, 01:23 PM
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27 January 2010, 01:31 PM
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whats the problem exactly? is it because it is just going to happen without a democratic vote or the fact that people think that someone is going to be behind a screen choking their chicken whilst you and your family walk through! come on , get real.
27 January 2010, 01:32 PM
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Hold on a minute! How many flights are there around the world per day, week or year? I'm guessing hundreds of millions. We catch one guy with an explosive tied to his leg & that's grounds to inconvinience every person travelling by air for the rest of time! FFS when will we put things in perspective 
Massive waste of time & money IMHO.
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Massive waste of time & money IMHO.TX.
27 January 2010, 01:37 PM
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OK - heres another one putting the cat amoungst the pidgeons.
What happens if a person with a turban "beeps" going through an existing scanner?
Do they make him take it off?
Same goes with say a muslim women who is completely covered up?
If I'm wearing a coat I'm make to take it off.
If I'm wearing timberland boots then I'm made to remove them
So - shouldn't the boys with the turban and the covered up woman be made to put some stuff through the scanner?
What happens if a person with a turban "beeps" going through an existing scanner?
Do they make him take it off?
Same goes with say a muslim women who is completely covered up?
If I'm wearing a coat I'm make to take it off.
If I'm wearing timberland boots then I'm made to remove them
So - shouldn't the boys with the turban and the covered up woman be made to put some stuff through the scanner?