Edlington torture attack brothers detained
22 January 2010, 02:18 PM
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Sadly, I cannot see an end to this sort of thing, not while the country is addicted to bullying as a form of entertainment, and while kids as young as these can do the foulest things to realistic-loking opponents on their X-Box and whatever, night in, night out
Ten years at most, WE will be paying to hide these latest little monsters
Ten years at most, WE will be paying to hide these latest little monsters
22 January 2010, 02:28 PM
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Well one of them has been medically assessed as a borderline psychopath so I expect he'll spend the rest of his life monged out on anti-psychotics after he's done 5 years in clink.
22 January 2010, 02:33 PM
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22 January 2010, 02:49 PM
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Not defending them at all but you can see how this came about given their upbringing.
The parents (i use the term loosely) of these kids should be on trial for abuse.
Social services mantra is the kids are better off at home/with their biological family - this really needs looking at.
what a sad situation all round, glad they are locked up and hopefully they can get the help they need.
I just hope the victims of the attacks get the support and care they need as well.
22 January 2010, 03:32 PM
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I believe we should also be asking some tough questions of these 2 childrens parents. These kids didn't just wake up one morning as sick and violent, we have their parents to thank for that!
Behind the headlines there is almost certainly a violent upbringing.
22 January 2010, 03:49 PM
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Not sure but didn't the father of those two advise the police they were with him at the time of the attack?!?
Really sad situation. Feel sickened by it all and the fact that the punishment does not seem to fit the crime.
Really sad situation. Feel sickened by it all and the fact that the punishment does not seem to fit the crime.
22 January 2010, 04:04 PM
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He, and the thing that gave birth to them, should be locked up for life.
22 January 2010, 04:12 PM
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He should then at the least get something for perverting the course of justice, lying to the police, harbouring criminals? I have no idea but agreed they should be as they seem to be the route cause.
22 January 2010, 04:14 PM
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There should be punishment here for the parents too, stop them bringing these things into the world. No benefits after the second kid for example, an encouragment not to do it rather than keep popping them out. There is also a case for sterilising people like this. It was debated for junkies but to be honest i can't see another way of stopping it. Right now there is no stick to beat people with just the carrot of more benefits and a bigger house.
As for the kids themselves, a lot of kids have awful upbringings or are really poor but they don't do this. social services (who should just take the kids off these idiots immediately) had been involved for a number of years and foster families had been prepared to take them in and look after them. Like most people they were given the opportunity to change and do something different with their lives but turned it down.
Looks like a life behind bars now, they'll no doubt do well out of that.
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22 January 2010, 04:45 PM
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I am aware of some of the case material that was not made public and all I can say is that the 'inevitability' of this is only too true.
I know it is not fashionable on Snet to ascribe the perpetrators as victims - however there is a strong case in this example.
These children had no concept of right or wrong - they stopped the beating because their arms were tired. They are true sociopaths. They are definitely a product of an environment where the only references they had were violent to the point of feral.
A sad case that their family was allowed to get into this state.
A sad case that of the many possible interventions that could have been made, no responsibility was taken.
A sad case for the awful violence they meted out on two innocent families now bearing long term scars.
I know it is not fashionable on Snet to ascribe the perpetrators as victims - however there is a strong case in this example.
These children had no concept of right or wrong - they stopped the beating because their arms were tired. They are true sociopaths. They are definitely a product of an environment where the only references they had were violent to the point of feral.
A sad case that their family was allowed to get into this state.
A sad case that of the many possible interventions that could have been made, no responsibility was taken.
A sad case for the awful violence they meted out on two innocent families now bearing long term scars.
22 January 2010, 06:06 PM
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Probably because there where 11 agencies involved and on 31 occasions these kids had been brought to the attention of the authorities. 31 fails!
The father is an alcoholic and the mother a drug addict.
How could kids be better off in this enviroment than in a home or with a foster family????
It is a truely sad tale, no winners.
I keep hearing 'they' are 'one-off's', really; BBC News - Man 'burnt and beaten for weeks' before death
apparently the womans 4 children where encouraged to torture the poor man as well.
Baby P
Jamie Bulger
When does this sort of act cease to be a one-off then...
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22 January 2010, 07:16 PM
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I am aware of some of the case material that was not made public and all I can say is that the 'inevitability' of this is only too true.
I know it is not fashionable on Snet to ascribe the perpetrators as victims - however there is a strong case in this example.
These children had no concept of right or wrong - they stopped the beating because their arms were tired. They are true sociopaths. They are definitely a product of an environment where the only references they had were violent to the point of feral.
A sad case that their family was allowed to get into this state.
A sad case that of the many possible interventions that could have been made, no responsibility was taken.
A sad case for the awful violence they meted out on two innocent families now bearing long term scars.
I know it is not fashionable on Snet to ascribe the perpetrators as victims - however there is a strong case in this example.
These children had no concept of right or wrong - they stopped the beating because their arms were tired. They are true sociopaths. They are definitely a product of an environment where the only references they had were violent to the point of feral.
A sad case that their family was allowed to get into this state.
A sad case that of the many possible interventions that could have been made, no responsibility was taken.
A sad case for the awful violence they meted out on two innocent families now bearing long term scars.
22 January 2010, 10:27 PM
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The fact it's a minimum of 5 years is an appalling decision. They really think these 2 sick ***** could change in 5 years? One of them has been described by a top psychiatrist as
FFS how does that equate to only a minimum of 5 years for what he has done with his Brother? If they let them out they will go on to kill someone.
Why the CPS dropped the case for attempted murder God only knows, the defendants even admitted they only stopped the attack because they were tired, in other words had they not tired they would have continued until their victims were killed. How is that not attempted murder?
The judicial system in this country is pathetic.
being in danger of becoming a seriously disturbed psychopathic offender
Why the CPS dropped the case for attempted murder God only knows, the defendants even admitted they only stopped the attack because they were tired, in other words had they not tired they would have continued until their victims were killed. How is that not attempted murder?
The judicial system in this country is pathetic.
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22 January 2010, 11:06 PM
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I am aware of some of the case material that was not made public and all I can say is that the 'inevitability' of this is only too true.
I know it is not fashionable on Snet to ascribe the perpetrators as victims - however there is a strong case in this example.
These children had no concept of right or wrong - they stopped the beating because their arms were tired. They are true sociopaths. They are definitely a product of an environment where the only references they had were violent to the point of feral.
A sad case that their family was allowed to get into this state.
A sad case that of the many possible interventions that could have been made, no responsibility was taken.
A sad case for the awful violence they meted out on two innocent families now bearing long term scars.
I know it is not fashionable on Snet to ascribe the perpetrators as victims - however there is a strong case in this example.
These children had no concept of right or wrong - they stopped the beating because their arms were tired. They are true sociopaths. They are definitely a product of an environment where the only references they had were violent to the point of feral.
A sad case that their family was allowed to get into this state.
A sad case that of the many possible interventions that could have been made, no responsibility was taken.
A sad case for the awful violence they meted out on two innocent families now bearing long term scars.
23 January 2010, 01:04 AM
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In that case, knowing details that haven't been public you shouldn't even be commenting. I know the case too. I know the counsel and Judges involved and also know things that haven't been made public and know, despite my professional obligations not to comment, it is completely inappropriate for me to say anything.
23 January 2010, 01:43 AM
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The fact it's a minimum of 5 years is an appalling decision. They really think these 2 sick ***** could change in 5 years? One of them has been described by a top psychiatrist as
FFS how does that equate to only a minimum of 5 years for what he has done with his Brother? If they let them out they will go on to kill someone.
Why the CPS dropped the case for attempted murder God only knows, the defendants even admitted they only stopped the attack because they were tired, in other words had they not tired they would have continued until their victims were killed. How is that not attempted murder?
The judicial system in this country is pathetic.
FFS how does that equate to only a minimum of 5 years for what he has done with his Brother? If they let them out they will go on to kill someone.
Why the CPS dropped the case for attempted murder God only knows, the defendants even admitted they only stopped the attack because they were tired, in other words had they not tired they would have continued until their victims were killed. How is that not attempted murder?
The judicial system in this country is pathetic.
They are less consistant that Premiership referees.
23 January 2010, 01:45 AM
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In that case, knowing details that haven't been public you shouldn't even be commenting. I know the case too. I know the counsel and Judges involved and also know things that haven't been made public and know, despite my professional obligations not to comment, it is completely inappropriate for me to say anything.
23 January 2010, 11:23 AM
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I have said often enough that children need to be guided by their parents as they grow up so that they follow the path to a decent way to behave in society. If they are not brought up correctly then it is natural for them to follow the example of their peers and as in this case they will go off the rails. If we want to live in a well ordered society then parents have the responsibility to ensure that their children are able to take their places in it.
This does not excuse these two thugs, they know the difference between right and wrong. Their parents bear the major blame however and the authorities should look into their gross failings and act accordingly.
Les
This does not excuse these two thugs, they know the difference between right and wrong. Their parents bear the major blame however and the authorities should look into their gross failings and act accordingly.
Les
23 January 2010, 11:38 AM
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Alcoholic father who beat the mother and the kids
Drug addicted mother
allowed to watch pornography, violence and horror movies from a young age
allowed to smoke cannabis and drink alcohol from age 9 or so
This is thier idea of a normal life, not exactly watching Friends re-runs or baking cakes for the school fete.
You factor in that they live in a rough area, lot of these in-breeds never leave their estate or have much contact with anyone other than similar types. Alchies and drug addicts tend to socialse with others of the same pursuasion for obvious reasons.
Schooling - how likely is it they regularly attended.
Not making excuses but you can see how they became what they are - sh*t parents, no decent role models, moral compass or guidelines just violence and ****, drugs and booze on demand and you are only a small child.
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23 January 2010, 11:48 AM
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I completely agree with your latter point and the police (I assume in hand with the CPS) are looking at a potential prosecution of the parents. They have plenty to go on!
23 January 2010, 12:04 PM
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Sadly it goes on everywhere these days . . . only last week one of our ambulance crews attended a house to find the mother junked out, the father pissed out of his head and three children there, the eldest was about 9 I think
23 January 2010, 12:19 PM
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No-I haven't commented on the case or offered an opinion on the case or given detials of it. I have no problem with people expressing their views on this or anything else. But there are reasons why certain things have not been made public. Whether you have a professional interest in a case or not, if you know those things you shouldn't, in my opinion, start referring to them on a public forum.
Feel free to disagree, you are certainly entitled to do so.
Feel free to disagree, you are certainly entitled to do so.