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Old Jan 10, 2010 | 02:13 PM
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As some know my house is freezing and I'm looking at a grant for insulation yadda yadda moan moan.

Anywho, got a surveyor coming on 22nd Jan to have a looksy, so I decided to have a look about improving my heating system without totally overhauling it (as thats something I do not have for a loooong time).

Anyways, simply stuck "radiators" into google and got this link from it...
Heat and Plumb BTU Calculator

It's some sort of calculator to work out what radiator sizes to get for your rooms based on the amount of energy required to heat them. I'm going through the 5 rooms in my house now to see what I should look to get as I may be able to get grant money to replace the rads at worst.

I know some will know the above already but I'm a total novice at heating etc. so hopefully it may help a few like myself.

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What you need to take into account is that every rad whose size you increase will use extra energy and YOU have to pay for it. Let's get the house insulated first, eh?

Meanwhile, wear thick clothes and put an extra blanket/quilt on the bed

BTW: have you stuck your head into either loft to CHECK the levels of insulation yet?
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Old Jan 10, 2010 | 04:07 PM
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What you need to take into account is that every rad whose size you increase will use extra energy and YOU have to pay for it. Let's get the house insulated first, eh?

Meanwhile, wear thick clothes and put an extra blanket/quilt on the bed

BTW: have you stuck your head into either loft to CHECK the levels of insulation yet?
I know mate. I'm just looking at the long term as I can't afford a new heating system, but may be able to save a little a month for radiators.

And no, I haven't stuck my head up there - too many big hairy spiders and I don't trust my asthma in all honesty.
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Old Jan 10, 2010 | 06:00 PM
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Asthma-smathsma, you wuss, you won't get asthma LOOKING through a hatch, trust me.

Oh, and don't expect the government to sub you for new rads, they aren't going to pay you to use MORE energy, you know.
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Old Jan 10, 2010 | 06:54 PM
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Asthma-smathsma, you wuss, you won't get asthma LOOKING through a hatch, trust me.

Oh, and don't expect the government to sub you for new rads, they aren't going to pay you to use MORE energy, you know.
I'll get up when I can then if it makes you happy

I don't expect anything from the government, I'm looking long term to something I (and this grumpy old dude I know) can do one weekend.

(Oh and I've had it confirmed the cold water supply IS cut off outside)
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Old Jan 10, 2010 | 06:57 PM
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LOL, I KNEW this would include me.........
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LOL, I KNEW this would include me.........
I'll pop round and steal your big torch mate. Dunno how I'll get up there though, any ideas?
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Now, HOW much does a plumber get an hour..........?
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Old Jan 10, 2010 | 07:03 PM
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Don't tell me, ......you don't have any steps.............
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So how were WE going to do it?
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Now, HOW much does a plumber get an hour..........?
All the Nescafe he can drink and a useless apprentice looking over his shoulder

That and a huge amount of genuine appreciation.
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So how were WE going to do it?
Pass. Never tried it before
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Old Jan 10, 2010 | 07:18 PM
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FFS. You can borrow some?
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FFS. You can borrow some?
I'll get up there tomorrow if I get chance after work Jezza, don;t worry. I've been on my artwork all today, just had my tea (mmm Richmond sausages), and now I'm attacking the area in te kitchen which needs Polyfilla

Only so many hours in a day FFS
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What you need to take into account is that every rad whose size you increase will use extra energy and YOU have to pay for it. Let's get the house insulated first, eh?
Ahhh, but an oversized rad can be efficient than an undersized one when used in conjunction with a condensing boiler and combined with decent quality TRVs (good quality liquid filled jobbies like the drayton TRV4 or Honeywell VT200).

An oversized rad with a good TRV will regulate the room temp accordingly and the return temp to the boiler will be lower when the rads are heating the room, the lower the return temp, the more the boiler condenses.

Done right and properly balanced, it should run until all the rad TRVs start shutting off, which will pop open the bypass valve (Presuming its fitted - modern installs should have these for optimal efficiency), feeding flow from the boiler directly back to the return pipe causing the boiler shut down (until water temp drops back down), this means the boiler doesn't operate for excessively long periods with the return temp above 55dgerees (where it doesn't condense = i.e not as efficient).

As for loft insulation, just been in my Gran's attic trying feed a new aerial cable. Bloody divots that put it up there (OAP government grant thingy) must have over-ordered as its over 2ft deep above the joists. So there's me playing guess where the joists are and getting covered in rockwool's finest in the process Suffice to say, the snow on her roof is yet to melt, yet the neighbour's roof is as dry as a bone

Tip; don't insulate your loft if you plan on doing any wiring/plumbling work up there in the near future.

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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 01:03 PM
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My sister has just bought new radiators for her house-the older school type ones which she says are more efficient. I could not believe how expensive they are. £1500 each!

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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 04:29 PM
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My sister has just bought new radiators for her house-the older school type ones which she says are more efficient. I could not believe how expensive they are. £1500 each!

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No offence but that comes across as more money than sense to a pauper like me

Seen ones at Wickes for between £37-£106 size dependant. They'd do me in all fairness.
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Why aren't you revising?
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Why aren't you revising?
Jeff, I haven't got my notes. I can't revise stuff I haven't got infront of me or don't quite understand Thats why I'm going to ask tomorrow during lesson time and then bug you at tea time.

The tutor was not there last week as he had holidays booked. The first chance I have tomorrow, I will speak with him and then bring my notes folder home with me.

I'm going to go look in my loft now
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5-4-3-2-................1



lol
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5-4-3-2-................1



lol

No such thing happened mate. Borrowed a ladder from next door and scrambled up. Its quite spacious and not too cold suprisingly. There's some really old dusty insulation up there but it's not very thick and all crumbly on top.

Also just found out from said neighbours that I have solid 2 brick walls so cavity wall insulation is out. Looks like I may be best getting more efficient radiators (under 1,000 years old) and insulating the roof to ****.

Future conversion up there too!
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Hmmmmmmmmm
Can't quite believe you have an exam next week but you haven't brought home ANYTHING to revise? If you were one of my lads, you'd get an earful, no doubt about it. There must be SOME parts you've understood?
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Hmmmmmmmmm
Can't quite believe you have an exam next week but you haven't brought home ANYTHING to revise? If you were one of my lads, you'd get an earful, no doubt about it. There must be SOME parts you've understood?
I was told at short notice.
I will ask tomorrow why.
I'm bringing my notes home for the rest of the week.
I'm glad you would give me an ear full, as it shows you care about my future profession as much as me.
There are some parts that I understand.

Anything else?
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Yes, you should be learning the parts you understand
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Yes, you should be learning the parts you understand
I will be for the rest of the week. Need to discuss with you a revision plan if possible.
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian
No offence but that comes across as more money than sense to a pauper like me

Seen ones at Wickes for between £37-£106 size dependant. They'd do me in all fairness.
Well I have to admit that exactly the same thought flashed through my mind when she told me! I certainly would not be in that league and repainting the original radiators would have been the thing I would do.

She is having a very big rebuild done I suppose and I can't even begin to guess at the cost!

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