On This Day in 1941
11 December 2009, 05:04 PM
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On This Day in 1941
Adolf Hitler commits one of his biggest blunders .....
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..... by needlessly declaring war on the United States.
What was he thinking?
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..... by needlessly declaring war on the United States.
What was he thinking?
11 December 2009, 05:54 PM
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Read your history Pete - he was in an Alliance with the Japanese. It was a huge blunder, but by that time dozens (if not hundreds) of US Navy personnel had already died fighting U-Boats in the Atlantic
I've often read that Hitler did more to win the War for the Allies than any other single person
I've often read that Hitler did more to win the War for the Allies than any other single person
11 December 2009, 06:44 PM
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and his biggest was on the 22 June 1941 when he invaded Russia
arguably with America's strong anti colonial sentiment, Hitler could have used the leverage of breaking up old empires of England and France to force some sort of peace
but the atrocities committed against the Russian sealed his fate -- it precipitated a struggle to the death, one he was bound to loose eventually
read Stalingrad by Antony Beaver
arguably with America's strong anti colonial sentiment, Hitler could have used the leverage of breaking up old empires of England and France to force some sort of peace
but the atrocities committed against the Russian sealed his fate -- it precipitated a struggle to the death, one he was bound to loose eventually
read Stalingrad by Antony Beaver
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12 December 2009, 04:48 PM
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So here is what really happened.
Hitler knew that in the 30s America was the coming world power. He wanted to give the German people the same living standards of that of the US...but couldnt do it. He didnt have the resource. That is why the peoples products that the germans produced in 30s failed, they could not produce them cheaply enough for the average german citizen to afford them. The US could match the cost of products to wages, but they couldnt..it was all down to lack of German resource.
Hitler also had a dream to create an empire to initialy match that of the British and the US - he felt that the German people were a master race that deserved that. No doubt, being a meglomanic, he would have eventually wanted to better them.
Hilter however only had one oil supply in Rumania (the Russians were very close to this - and synthetic oil could not be produced in enough quantities) and one key iron or supply in Sweden. By 1938 he was begining to lose the arms race...America under Roosevelt was slowly coming down on the side of the British and the Fench and the germans had ineffect bankrupted themselves. Hitler cloud see which way the wind was blowing.
In Hitlers mind the British and US were controled by the Jews who were conspiring to crush him and Germany. So in his mind for all these factors he didnt have a moment to lose...
..he had to push east and grab all the resource, the grain the oil ect as quickly as possible.
It was the only way he was going create an empire to match that of the British and to to have the resource fight the oncoming war with America, which he knew was coming.
So he invaded Russia. From a strategic point of view given what he wanted to achieve it was the right thing to do. However it was a massive gamble - because he had to encircle and destroy the russian armies with 500km of russian territory before the german supply lines ran out and he had to do it within weeks because. He did not have the resource or money to fight a long term war coupled with Britain and the US now completely outproducing him in weaponary It was his only chance before America gained world dominace and in his mind he had to take it.
By the autum of 1941, despite many huge battlefield victories, he had probaly lost WW2 becuase he had not secured the resource with which to win. The more astute **** economic minds and generals began to realise this.
He knew he was going to have a big war with America...so the declaration of war was just a formality for him. He had the pact with the Japanesse and the Italians so he had to do this anyway.
He hoped that the US would be distracted by the Japanesse in 1942 whilst he finished his unfinished business in the east. The key reason for the pact with the Japanesse and the Italians is that they had big navies and could counter the US but especialy the British navies. The Germans didnt have a big navy, because they didnt...you guessed it, have the recource to build one. So the pact made perfect strategic sense.
So on one hand given what Hitler wanted to achieve..he was a master strategist who wasn´t mad - it was carefully thought through.
On the other hand - his obsession with the jewish conspiricy that also underpinned alot of his policy decisions was irrational madness
If you havent fallen asleep allready ..here endeth the history lesson
Hitler knew that in the 30s America was the coming world power. He wanted to give the German people the same living standards of that of the US...but couldnt do it. He didnt have the resource. That is why the peoples products that the germans produced in 30s failed, they could not produce them cheaply enough for the average german citizen to afford them. The US could match the cost of products to wages, but they couldnt..it was all down to lack of German resource.
Hitler also had a dream to create an empire to initialy match that of the British and the US - he felt that the German people were a master race that deserved that. No doubt, being a meglomanic, he would have eventually wanted to better them.
Hilter however only had one oil supply in Rumania (the Russians were very close to this - and synthetic oil could not be produced in enough quantities) and one key iron or supply in Sweden. By 1938 he was begining to lose the arms race...America under Roosevelt was slowly coming down on the side of the British and the Fench and the germans had ineffect bankrupted themselves. Hitler cloud see which way the wind was blowing.
In Hitlers mind the British and US were controled by the Jews who were conspiring to crush him and Germany. So in his mind for all these factors he didnt have a moment to lose...
..he had to push east and grab all the resource, the grain the oil ect as quickly as possible.
It was the only way he was going create an empire to match that of the British and to to have the resource fight the oncoming war with America, which he knew was coming.
So he invaded Russia. From a strategic point of view given what he wanted to achieve it was the right thing to do. However it was a massive gamble - because he had to encircle and destroy the russian armies with 500km of russian territory before the german supply lines ran out and he had to do it within weeks because. He did not have the resource or money to fight a long term war coupled with Britain and the US now completely outproducing him in weaponary It was his only chance before America gained world dominace and in his mind he had to take it.
By the autum of 1941, despite many huge battlefield victories, he had probaly lost WW2 becuase he had not secured the resource with which to win. The more astute **** economic minds and generals began to realise this.
He knew he was going to have a big war with America...so the declaration of war was just a formality for him. He had the pact with the Japanesse and the Italians so he had to do this anyway.
He hoped that the US would be distracted by the Japanesse in 1942 whilst he finished his unfinished business in the east. The key reason for the pact with the Japanesse and the Italians is that they had big navies and could counter the US but especialy the British navies. The Germans didnt have a big navy, because they didnt...you guessed it, have the recource to build one. So the pact made perfect strategic sense.
So on one hand given what Hitler wanted to achieve..he was a master strategist who wasn´t mad - it was carefully thought through.
On the other hand - his obsession with the jewish conspiricy that also underpinned alot of his policy decisions was irrational madness
If you havent fallen asleep allready ..here endeth the history lesson
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So here is what really happened.
Hitler knew that in the 30s America was the coming world power. He wanted to give the German people the same living standards of that of the US...but couldnt do it. He didnt have the resource. That is why the peoples products that the germans produced in 30s failed, they could produce them cheaply enough for the average german citizen to afford them. The US could match the cost of products to wages, but they couldnt..it was all down to lack of German resource.
Hitler also had a dream to create an empire to initialy match that of the British and the US - he felt that the German people were a master race that deserved that. No doubt being a meglomanic he would have eventually wanted to better them.
Hilter however only had one oil supply in Rumania (the Russians were very close to this - and synthetic oil could not be produced in enough quantities) and one key iron or supply in Sweden. By 1938 he was begining to lose the arms race...America under Roosevelt was slowly coming down on the side of the British and the Fench and the germans had ineffect bankrupted themselves. Hitler cloud see which way the wind was blowing.
In Hitlers mind the British and US were controled by the Jews who were conspiring to crush him and Germany. So in his mind for all these factors he didnt have a moment to lose...
..he had to push east and grab all the resource, the grain the oil ect as quickly as possible.
It was the only way he was going create an empire to match that of the British and to to have the resource fight the oncoming war with America, which he knew was coming.
So he invaded Russia. From a strategic point of view given what he wanted to achieve it was the right thing to do. However it was a massive gamble - because he had to encircle and destroy the russian armies with 500km of russian territory before the german supply lines ran out and he had to do it within weeks because. He did not have the resource or money to fight a long term war coupled with Britain and the US now completely outproducing his factories. It was his only chance before America gained world dominace and in his mind he had to take it.
By the autum of 1941, despite many huge battlefield victories, he had probaly lost WW2 becuase he had not secured the resource with which to win. The more astute **** economic minds and generals began to realise this.
He knew he was going to have a big war with America...so the declaration of war was just a formality for him. He had the pact with the Japanesse and the Italians so he had to do this.
He hoped that the US would be distracted by the Japanesse in 1942 whilst he finished his unfinished business in the east. The key reason for the pact with the Japanesse and the Italians is that they had big navies and could counter the US but especialy the British navies. The Germans didnt have a big navy, because they didnt...you guessed it, have the recource to build one. So the pact made perfect strategic sense.
So on one hand given what Hitler wanted to achieve..he was a master strategist who wasn´t mad - it was carefully thought through.
On the other hand - his obsession with the jewish conspiricy that also underpinned alot of his policy decisions was irrational madness
If you havent fallen asleep allready ..here endeth the history lesson
Hitler knew that in the 30s America was the coming world power. He wanted to give the German people the same living standards of that of the US...but couldnt do it. He didnt have the resource. That is why the peoples products that the germans produced in 30s failed, they could produce them cheaply enough for the average german citizen to afford them. The US could match the cost of products to wages, but they couldnt..it was all down to lack of German resource.
Hitler also had a dream to create an empire to initialy match that of the British and the US - he felt that the German people were a master race that deserved that. No doubt being a meglomanic he would have eventually wanted to better them.
Hilter however only had one oil supply in Rumania (the Russians were very close to this - and synthetic oil could not be produced in enough quantities) and one key iron or supply in Sweden. By 1938 he was begining to lose the arms race...America under Roosevelt was slowly coming down on the side of the British and the Fench and the germans had ineffect bankrupted themselves. Hitler cloud see which way the wind was blowing.
In Hitlers mind the British and US were controled by the Jews who were conspiring to crush him and Germany. So in his mind for all these factors he didnt have a moment to lose...
..he had to push east and grab all the resource, the grain the oil ect as quickly as possible.
It was the only way he was going create an empire to match that of the British and to to have the resource fight the oncoming war with America, which he knew was coming.
So he invaded Russia. From a strategic point of view given what he wanted to achieve it was the right thing to do. However it was a massive gamble - because he had to encircle and destroy the russian armies with 500km of russian territory before the german supply lines ran out and he had to do it within weeks because. He did not have the resource or money to fight a long term war coupled with Britain and the US now completely outproducing his factories. It was his only chance before America gained world dominace and in his mind he had to take it.
By the autum of 1941, despite many huge battlefield victories, he had probaly lost WW2 becuase he had not secured the resource with which to win. The more astute **** economic minds and generals began to realise this.
He knew he was going to have a big war with America...so the declaration of war was just a formality for him. He had the pact with the Japanesse and the Italians so he had to do this.
He hoped that the US would be distracted by the Japanesse in 1942 whilst he finished his unfinished business in the east. The key reason for the pact with the Japanesse and the Italians is that they had big navies and could counter the US but especialy the British navies. The Germans didnt have a big navy, because they didnt...you guessed it, have the recource to build one. So the pact made perfect strategic sense.
So on one hand given what Hitler wanted to achieve..he was a master strategist who wasn´t mad - it was carefully thought through.
On the other hand - his obsession with the jewish conspiricy that also underpinned alot of his policy decisions was irrational madness
If you havent fallen asleep allready ..here endeth the history lesson
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