Iran next, who has the popcorn?
01 February 2009, 03:17 PM
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Iran next, who has the popcorn?
01 February 2009, 03:51 PM
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I wonder if Obama will be prepared to rubber stamp and stand by Israel as they continue to do what they like in the ME, i hope not and i hope he lets Israel know that enough is enough and to find a peaceful solution. I also hope he is tough on the the Arabs, plays no favorites and helps get is sorted.
UN worse that useless agian, toothless infighting bunch of assmunchers in charge, no hope for them
UN worse that useless agian, toothless infighting bunch of assmunchers in charge, no hope for them
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01 February 2009, 04:13 PM
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I wonder if Obama will be prepared to rubber stamp and stand by Israel as they continue to do what they like in the ME, i hope not and i hope he lets Israel know that enough is enough and to find a peaceful solution. I also hope he is tough on the the Arabs, plays no favorites and helps get is sorted.
UN worse that useless agian, toothless infighting bunch of assmunchers in charge, no hope for them
UN worse that useless agian, toothless infighting bunch of assmunchers in charge, no hope for them
I have a feeling Obama will be more like Clinton, hope so anyway.
01 February 2009, 04:19 PM
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Iran has gone on record saying that "Isreal needs to be wiped off the face of the earth" .......................
Would it, therefore, be unreasonable for Isreal to wait until Iran has Nuclear Warheads and the means to deliver them into Isreal?
They have no choice, in all honesty, but to fly in and take the installations out. They will need the latest Bunker Busters to do that .......
Would it, therefore, be unreasonable for Isreal to wait until Iran has Nuclear Warheads and the means to deliver them into Isreal?
They have no choice, in all honesty, but to fly in and take the installations out. They will need the latest Bunker Busters to do that .......
01 February 2009, 04:41 PM
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Better to get them (The Israelis and Arabs) sat down and let them all know that no sides are to be taken or backed and get them to come to a peaceful agreement.
Iran and Iraq where at war, chemical weapons used lots of dead and hatred and still they still manage to get along.
The Arabs just like the rest of us like to spout off. Israel would be wise to bomb Iran ior find themselves at war with the united Arab world and on a hiding to nothing - Jihad (holy war) is not really winnable, everyone looses.
This is about land as much as anything and about time it got settled!
01 February 2009, 05:24 PM
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But I wonder how the west reacts to any other nation trying to attain nuclear power for domestic needs.. or is it the case that only a select few can have the technology, everyone else is deemed too irresponsible and uncultured/educated to have the right to this technology?
I don't agree that Iran is only getting nuclear technology for domestic purposes but then who can blame them, they are an evolving nation and fairly well advanced now (in contrast to the BS we get told about them i.e. 3rd world nation).
Add to this the fact that Israel is sitting on a cache of several thousand nuclear warheads as well as stockpiles of the latest US funded military hardware, doesn't exactly lean in favour of the Israeli argument.
I am not anti-jewish but I am against those murdering *******s in Israel who think its fair game to kill children and abuse any ceasefire that does come into effect before or after.
They are not holocaust victims anymore now are they?
01 February 2009, 05:39 PM
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no although seem quite comforable killing innocent men women and children, you would think they would know better.
Also getting a group of civillians into a building then blowing it up smacks of a old **** trick as well!
No, i am not anti jew or pro arab i just hate to see innocents die, especially children!
Also getting a group of civillians into a building then blowing it up smacks of a old **** trick as well!
No, i am not anti jew or pro arab i just hate to see innocents die, especially children!
01 February 2009, 05:47 PM
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I have googled and, far from being mis-quoted, there is plenty of evidence to back up what was said .....
"Iran's new president created a sense of outrage in the west yesterday by describing Israel as a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the face of the earth". Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who is more hardline than his predecessor, told students in Tehran that a new wave of Palestinian attacks would be enough to finish off Israel.
The populist leader's comments, reported by the state-run media, come at a time when Tehran is under pressure over its suspect nuclear weapons ambitions and alleged involvement in attacks on British troops in Iraq.
He said: "Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, [while] any [Islamic leader] who recognises the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world." He was addressing a conference titled The World Without Zionism.
His speech was immediately condemned by the US, Britain, France, Germany and Israel. The Foreign Office could not recall a similar statement from a senior Iranian leader since the former president Hashemi Rafsanjani five years ago called for a Muslim state to annihilate Israel with a nuclear strike. Since then, there has been a mild thaw in relations between Muslim states, including Arab ones, and Israel"
Israel should be wiped off map, says Iran's president | World news | The Guardian
I'm sure that if a country threatened to wipe the UK off the face of the map, I would feel 100% in support of removing their capability of doing so!!
"Iran's new president created a sense of outrage in the west yesterday by describing Israel as a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the face of the earth". Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who is more hardline than his predecessor, told students in Tehran that a new wave of Palestinian attacks would be enough to finish off Israel.
The populist leader's comments, reported by the state-run media, come at a time when Tehran is under pressure over its suspect nuclear weapons ambitions and alleged involvement in attacks on British troops in Iraq.
He said: "Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, [while] any [Islamic leader] who recognises the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world." He was addressing a conference titled The World Without Zionism.
His speech was immediately condemned by the US, Britain, France, Germany and Israel. The Foreign Office could not recall a similar statement from a senior Iranian leader since the former president Hashemi Rafsanjani five years ago called for a Muslim state to annihilate Israel with a nuclear strike. Since then, there has been a mild thaw in relations between Muslim states, including Arab ones, and Israel"
Israel should be wiped off map, says Iran's president | World news | The Guardian
I'm sure that if a country threatened to wipe the UK off the face of the map, I would feel 100% in support of removing their capability of doing so!!
01 February 2009, 06:28 PM
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I have googled and, far from being mis-quoted, there is plenty of evidence to back up what was said .....
"Iran's new president created a sense of outrage in the west yesterday by describing Israel as a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the face of the earth". Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who is more hardline than his predecessor, told students in Tehran that a new wave of Palestinian attacks would be enough to finish off Israel.
The populist leader's comments, reported by the state-run media, come at a time when Tehran is under pressure over its suspect nuclear weapons ambitions and alleged involvement in attacks on British troops in Iraq.
He said: "Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, [while] any [Islamic leader] who recognises the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world." He was addressing a conference titled The World Without Zionism.
His speech was immediately condemned by the US, Britain, France, Germany and Israel. The Foreign Office could not recall a similar statement from a senior Iranian leader since the former president Hashemi Rafsanjani five years ago called for a Muslim state to annihilate Israel with a nuclear strike. Since then, there has been a mild thaw in relations between Muslim states, including Arab ones, and Israel"
Israel should be wiped off map, says Iran's president | World news | The Guardian
I'm sure that if a country threatened to wipe the UK off the face of the map, I would feel 100% in support of removing their capability of doing so!!
"Iran's new president created a sense of outrage in the west yesterday by describing Israel as a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the face of the earth". Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who is more hardline than his predecessor, told students in Tehran that a new wave of Palestinian attacks would be enough to finish off Israel.
The populist leader's comments, reported by the state-run media, come at a time when Tehran is under pressure over its suspect nuclear weapons ambitions and alleged involvement in attacks on British troops in Iraq.
He said: "Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, [while] any [Islamic leader] who recognises the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world." He was addressing a conference titled The World Without Zionism.
His speech was immediately condemned by the US, Britain, France, Germany and Israel. The Foreign Office could not recall a similar statement from a senior Iranian leader since the former president Hashemi Rafsanjani five years ago called for a Muslim state to annihilate Israel with a nuclear strike. Since then, there has been a mild thaw in relations between Muslim states, including Arab ones, and Israel"
Israel should be wiped off map, says Iran's president | World news | The Guardian
I'm sure that if a country threatened to wipe the UK off the face of the map, I would feel 100% in support of removing their capability of doing so!!
01 February 2009, 07:38 PM
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Really ? Who in Iran said that and in what context I would like to find the quote as I thought it was common knowledge that that quote was untrue, I personally agree that Israel should be wiped from the map as they clearly think it OK to bomb invade and kill civilains in Jordan, Palestine Lebanon and Iran. They have shown that they will not rest untill almost every Palestinian is dead so why not remove Israel and therefor remove the problem straight away. Take out Israel withdraw from Iraw and Islamic fundamentalism will vanish overnight.
01 February 2009, 07:52 PM
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BTw what he said was a quote from the Ayatolla and what he quoted was
" بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " which means "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shava".
Here is an independant view of what was meant
Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation—"wipe Israel off the map"—suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations.
" بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " which means "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shava".
Here is an independant view of what was meant
Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation—"wipe Israel off the map"—suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations.
01 February 2009, 08:00 PM
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What he did actually say when asked if he woulkd acceot Israel was
' If they [the Palestinians] want to keep the Zionists, they can stay ... Whatever the people decide, we will respect it. I mean, it's very much in correspondence with our proposal to allow Palestinian people to decide through free referendums'
So Iran is very much prepared to leave Israel alone which is a lot more than Israel has done for Iran after carrying out Illegal bombing raids in Iran.
' If they [the Palestinians] want to keep the Zionists, they can stay ... Whatever the people decide, we will respect it. I mean, it's very much in correspondence with our proposal to allow Palestinian people to decide through free referendums'
So Iran is very much prepared to leave Israel alone which is a lot more than Israel has done for Iran after carrying out Illegal bombing raids in Iran.
01 February 2009, 08:08 PM
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01 February 2009, 09:12 PM
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BTw what he said was a quote from the Ayatolla and what he quoted was
" بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " which means "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shava".
Here is an independant view of what was meant
Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation—"wipe Israel off the map"—suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations.
" بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " which means "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shava".
Here is an independant view of what was meant
Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation—"wipe Israel off the map"—suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations.
01 February 2009, 10:44 PM
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Of course Iran will not use Military Force against Isreal .... that would be suicide as Iran would be flattened within a few days. So, at this point in time, it is simply words - theory - scripture - whatever.
BUT, allow Iran to have a Nuclear Warhead and the stakes change ..... now, all of a sudden, the militants within Iran can rise up and launch the warhead on to Isreal ............. a spiritual stance has now moved to a military stance.
My father was airlifted from Iran in 1979, I was working there too, we had a home in Shiraz ........ some Iranian family are now living in it, they don't own it - we do! Swimming pool and very pleasant indeed it was. My Chevvie was left there too!
The Iranians are a proud people, honest and reliable .... but, the militants are extreme and that is the fear.
BUT, allow Iran to have a Nuclear Warhead and the stakes change ..... now, all of a sudden, the militants within Iran can rise up and launch the warhead on to Isreal ............. a spiritual stance has now moved to a military stance.
My father was airlifted from Iran in 1979, I was working there too, we had a home in Shiraz ........ some Iranian family are now living in it, they don't own it - we do! Swimming pool and very pleasant indeed it was. My Chevvie was left there too!
The Iranians are a proud people, honest and reliable .... but, the militants are extreme and that is the fear.
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