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21 January 2009, 07:11 PM
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speed awareness course
stupid question - anyone on here been on one of these courses? for my sins i,ve been offered this course instead of 3 points, still costs £60 though, i am trying to find out what the course consists of. any pointers anyone?
21 January 2009, 07:48 PM
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I've been. You can probably write the script before you go but it's not too bad. Most of the *class* agree with you i.e. 'speed kills is a big joke. But it does save you from those 3 points.
Dave
PS: someone I know said they'd recently been on one and it was £95 .....
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PS: someone I know said they'd recently been on one and it was £95 .....
21 January 2009, 07:49 PM
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I went on one about two years ago now, the ****tiest thing I have ever done in my life, about 4 hours in total being lectured by some total ****. I would honestly take the points mate, unless you are on 9 already.
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You sound like one of my old school masters ....
I *think* it was a half-day but it was 6 or 7 years ago.
There's no pass/fail either so another reason to go. If the lecturer is a total tool then just do your 'yes sir/no sir/speed kills' bit. Or, get them to prove what they say is true. Go armed with loads of facts from Welcome to Safe Speed and A B D
In particular look at 'Local issues/Durham' on the ABD site. They have NO speed cameras. But they have recently released this press release Road fatalities fall to 34-year low -
Which says:
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Road fatalities fall to 34-year low
8th January, 2009
THE number of people who died on the roads of County Durham and Darlington has fallen to the lowest total in more than 30 years.
In the last calendar year Durham Constabulary recorded a total of 19 fatal accidents, which resulted in 20 deaths. The toll is the lowest since the present local government boundaries were created in 1974.
The previous lowest figure was in 2000 when there were 23 fatalities across the force area. The figure for 2008 comprised;
• eight pedestrians
• six drivers
• two passengers
• two motorcyclists and
• two pedal cyclists.
Nearly one-third (32 per cent) of those killed were in the 16 to 25 age group and the peak time for fatal accidents was the early to late evening – 4pm to midnight – when just over half (53 per cent) took place.
"Over the last few years all the organisations involved in promoting road safety have put a great deal of work into reducing the number of casualties," said Chief Insp Graham Rankin, deputy head of operational support for Durham Constabulary.
"We believe the combination of education, engineering and enforcement has made a real difference in terms of making our roads safer," he said.
Responsibility for promoting road safety lies with the multi-agency County Durham and Darlington Road Casualty Reduction Forum. This includes the police, Durham County Council and Highways Agency.
"Sadly, there will always be fatalities on the roads simply because of human error. Some crashes happen because drivers go too fast, are under the influence of drink or drugs or fail to react as they should to either the road or weather conditions. Ultimately, reducing the number of casualties depends on every road user; we should all make sure that we act responsibly."
"But of course, each fatal collision represents a tragedy for those left behind. And along with the other agencies we will actively consider any practical measures which can be taken to reduce the number even further," said Chief Insp Rankin.
Dave Wafer, Durham County Council's Acting Head of Highway Management, said : "Any fall in the number of fatalities is welcome, and data from the analysis of these accidents will be used to assist our working in partnership with the police in 2009.
"We will continue to implement a range of joint road safety initiatives and work with young people who unfortunately continue to form a higher percentage of the casualties." "
Maybe you could print out a copy for your *lecturer* and get his opinion ....
Dave
I *think* it was a half-day but it was 6 or 7 years ago.
There's no pass/fail either so another reason to go. If the lecturer is a total tool then just do your 'yes sir/no sir/speed kills' bit. Or, get them to prove what they say is true. Go armed with loads of facts from Welcome to Safe Speed and A B D
In particular look at 'Local issues/Durham' on the ABD site. They have NO speed cameras. But they have recently released this press release Road fatalities fall to 34-year low -
Which says:
"
Road fatalities fall to 34-year low
8th January, 2009
THE number of people who died on the roads of County Durham and Darlington has fallen to the lowest total in more than 30 years.
In the last calendar year Durham Constabulary recorded a total of 19 fatal accidents, which resulted in 20 deaths. The toll is the lowest since the present local government boundaries were created in 1974.
The previous lowest figure was in 2000 when there were 23 fatalities across the force area. The figure for 2008 comprised;
• eight pedestrians
• six drivers
• two passengers
• two motorcyclists and
• two pedal cyclists.
Nearly one-third (32 per cent) of those killed were in the 16 to 25 age group and the peak time for fatal accidents was the early to late evening – 4pm to midnight – when just over half (53 per cent) took place.
"Over the last few years all the organisations involved in promoting road safety have put a great deal of work into reducing the number of casualties," said Chief Insp Graham Rankin, deputy head of operational support for Durham Constabulary.
"We believe the combination of education, engineering and enforcement has made a real difference in terms of making our roads safer," he said.
Responsibility for promoting road safety lies with the multi-agency County Durham and Darlington Road Casualty Reduction Forum. This includes the police, Durham County Council and Highways Agency.
"Sadly, there will always be fatalities on the roads simply because of human error. Some crashes happen because drivers go too fast, are under the influence of drink or drugs or fail to react as they should to either the road or weather conditions. Ultimately, reducing the number of casualties depends on every road user; we should all make sure that we act responsibly."
"But of course, each fatal collision represents a tragedy for those left behind. And along with the other agencies we will actively consider any practical measures which can be taken to reduce the number even further," said Chief Insp Rankin.
Dave Wafer, Durham County Council's Acting Head of Highway Management, said : "Any fall in the number of fatalities is welcome, and data from the analysis of these accidents will be used to assist our working in partnership with the police in 2009.
"We will continue to implement a range of joint road safety initiatives and work with young people who unfortunately continue to form a higher percentage of the casualties." "
Maybe you could print out a copy for your *lecturer* and get his opinion ....
Dave
21 January 2009, 08:05 PM
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Do you still have to declare a convction of this type to an insurer, even though you miss out on the points?
If so, I hardly see the point of them, unless you are partial to spun statistics and a one subject agenda.
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If so, I hardly see the point of them, unless you are partial to spun statistics and a one subject agenda.
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21 January 2009, 08:09 PM
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Mine was half a day, I had a really good "row" with the copper as he made some crack about "Not everyone needs a Subaru as a PE*IS extension", so I replied "No, and a people carrier just shows how fertile your big hairy bo**ocks are ?".
Towards the end I pointed out that the guy next to me drove ambulances for years without a single accident, did 35 in a 30 = criminal, what happened to common sense ?
I pointed out that if his kid jumped out infront of any of us, mine would stop, whilst the 80 year old in a rusty Metro wouldn't even notice for 2 seconds, and then would probably hit the accelerator.
P*ssed him off a treat, don't lie down, fight back with observation, experience, and common sense. You can't fail if you don't knuckle under.
IMHO
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Towards the end I pointed out that the guy next to me drove ambulances for years without a single accident, did 35 in a 30 = criminal, what happened to common sense ?
I pointed out that if his kid jumped out infront of any of us, mine would stop, whilst the 80 year old in a rusty Metro wouldn't even notice for 2 seconds, and then would probably hit the accelerator.
P*ssed him off a treat, don't lie down, fight back with observation, experience, and common sense. You can't fail if you don't knuckle under.
IMHO
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21 January 2009, 08:17 PM
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I went on one last April -- in Dorset, I live in Cambridge
not all authorities do it -- but i would take it over points anyday
21 January 2009, 08:31 PM
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mate of mine opted to attend the course.. silly búgger got another speeding ticket on the way there 
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My 70 y old dad got offered this ( 37 in a 30, concealed van ), told him that he would be with a load of tattooed bald blokes with bad trainers in a classroom and not to drop the soap whilst using the toilets. I advised him to take the points and not to mix with these crims as he was likely to pick up subaru driver attitudes and that a stretch inside was the likely next step.
He told me to get lost and that he could take care of himself.....go easy on him the rest of you
He told me to get lost and that he could take care of himself.....go easy on
him the rest of you
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My 61 year old mother had to attend one, 34 in a 30. They made her drive to the other side of the county, when she got there she was so upset form her 2 hours in rush hour motorway traffic they let her go home.
Job done.
To be honest I am surprised her car got to 34.
Job done.
To be honest I am surprised her car got to 34.
22 January 2009, 12:39 AM
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My friend went on one after the heinous crime of 36 in a 30 at 3:20am 
and he said it was OK for him as he is pretty chilled about the whole 'speed kills' lie, but told me I would be better taking the points if it ever came to it as I would likely end up in the mother of all rows due to the patronising tone that dominates the proceedings. LOL!
As a slight aside and I have posted this before so sorry if you have already seen it, but just how numb are the people in these road safety partnerships. The Lancashire Safety Partnership (or whatever stupid name they call themselves) site has a page all about the speed awareness course. Now read the first testimonial comment. The guy is clearly taking the **** yet these buffoons publish it as a valid testimonial comment LOL!
See here, half way down the page:
Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety - Speed Awareness Course Details - Road Safety Lancashire | Safe Driving Lancashire | Drink Driving Lancashire | Speeding Lancashire | Safety Cameras Lancashire | Seat Belt Safety Lancashire.
Oh and by the way my friend has had 2 further tickets since the course so a fat lot of use that was
and he said it was OK for him as he is pretty chilled about the whole 'speed kills' lie, but told me I would be better taking the points if it ever came to it as I would likely end up in the mother of all rows due to the patronising tone that dominates the proceedings. LOL!As a slight aside and I have posted this before so sorry if you have already seen it, but just how numb are the people in these road safety partnerships. The Lancashire Safety Partnership (or whatever stupid name they call themselves) site has a page all about the speed awareness course. Now read the first testimonial comment. The guy is clearly taking the **** yet these buffoons publish it as a valid testimonial comment LOL!
See here, half way down the page:
Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety - Speed Awareness Course Details - Road Safety Lancashire | Safe Driving Lancashire | Drink Driving Lancashire | Speeding Lancashire | Safety Cameras Lancashire | Seat Belt Safety Lancashire.
Oh and by the way my friend has had 2 further tickets since the course so a fat lot of use that was
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As a slight aside and I have posted this before so sorry if you have already seen it, but just how numb are the people in these road safety partnerships. The Lancashire Safety Partnership (or whatever stupid name they call themselves) site has a page all about the speed awareness course. Now read the first testimonial comment. The guy is clearly taking the **** yet these buffoons publish it as a valid testimonial comment LOL!
See here, half way down the page:
Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety - Speed Awareness Course Details - Road Safety Lancashire | Safe Driving Lancashire | Drink Driving Lancashire | Speeding Lancashire | Safety Cameras Lancashire | Seat Belt Safety Lancashire.
Oh and by the way my friend has had 2 further tickets since the course so a fat lot of use that was
See here, half way down the page:
Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety - Speed Awareness Course Details - Road Safety Lancashire | Safe Driving Lancashire | Drink Driving Lancashire | Speeding Lancashire | Safety Cameras Lancashire | Seat Belt Safety Lancashire.
Oh and by the way my friend has had 2 further tickets since the course so a fat lot of use that was
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My friend went on one after the heinous crime of 36 in a 30 at 3:20am and he said it was OK for him as he is pretty chilled about the whole 'speed kills' lie, but told me I would be better taking the points if it ever came to it as I would likely end up in the mother of all rows due to the patronising tone that dominates the proceedings. LOL!
As a slight aside and I have posted this before so sorry if you have already seen it, but just how numb are the people in these road safety partnerships. The Lancashire Safety Partnership (or whatever stupid name they call themselves) site has a page all about the speed awareness course. Now read the first testimonial comment. The guy is clearly taking the **** yet these buffoons publish it as a valid testimonial comment LOL!
See here, half way down the page:
Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety - Speed Awareness Course Details - Road Safety Lancashire | Safe Driving Lancashire | Drink Driving Lancashire | Speeding Lancashire | Safety Cameras Lancashire | Seat Belt Safety Lancashire.
Oh and by the way my friend has had 2 further tickets since the course so a fat lot of use that was
and he said it was OK for him as he is pretty chilled about the whole 'speed kills' lie, but told me I would be better taking the points if it ever came to it as I would likely end up in the mother of all rows due to the patronising tone that dominates the proceedings. LOL!As a slight aside and I have posted this before so sorry if you have already seen it, but just how numb are the people in these road safety partnerships. The Lancashire Safety Partnership (or whatever stupid name they call themselves) site has a page all about the speed awareness course. Now read the first testimonial comment. The guy is clearly taking the **** yet these buffoons publish it as a valid testimonial comment LOL!
See here, half way down the page:
Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety - Speed Awareness Course Details - Road Safety Lancashire | Safe Driving Lancashire | Drink Driving Lancashire | Speeding Lancashire | Safety Cameras Lancashire | Seat Belt Safety Lancashire.
Oh and by the way my friend has had 2 further tickets since the course so a fat lot of use that was
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My friend went on one after the heinous crime of 36 in a 30 at 3:20am and he said it was OK for him as he is pretty chilled about the whole 'speed kills' lie, but told me I would be better taking the points if it ever came to it as I would likely end up in the mother of all rows due to the patronising tone that dominates the proceedings. LOL!
As a slight aside and I have posted this before so sorry if you have already seen it, but just how numb are the people in these road safety partnerships. The Lancashire Safety Partnership (or whatever stupid name they call themselves) site has a page all about the speed awareness course. Now read the first testimonial comment. The guy is clearly taking the **** yet these buffoons publish it as a valid testimonial comment LOL!
See here, half way down the page:
Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety - Speed Awareness Course Details - Road Safety Lancashire | Safe Driving Lancashire | Drink Driving Lancashire | Speeding Lancashire | Safety Cameras Lancashire | Seat Belt Safety Lancashire.
Oh and by the way my friend has had 2 further tickets since the course so a fat lot of use that was
and he said it was OK for him as he is pretty chilled about the whole 'speed kills' lie, but told me I would be better taking the points if it ever came to it as I would likely end up in the mother of all rows due to the patronising tone that dominates the proceedings. LOL!As a slight aside and I have posted this before so sorry if you have already seen it, but just how numb are the people in these road safety partnerships. The Lancashire Safety Partnership (or whatever stupid name they call themselves) site has a page all about the speed awareness course. Now read the first testimonial comment. The guy is clearly taking the **** yet these buffoons publish it as a valid testimonial comment LOL!
See here, half way down the page:
Lancashire Partnership for Road Safety - Speed Awareness Course Details - Road Safety Lancashire | Safe Driving Lancashire | Drink Driving Lancashire | Speeding Lancashire | Safety Cameras Lancashire | Seat Belt Safety Lancashire.
Oh and by the way my friend has had 2 further tickets since the course so a fat lot of use that was
I guess the dumbass that let that slip through the net didn't 'get' sarcasm
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Mine was half a day, I had a really good "row" with the copper as he made some crack about "Not everyone needs a Subaru as a PE*IS extension", so I replied "No, and a people carrier just shows how fertile your big hairy bo**ocks are ?".
Towards the end I pointed out that the guy next to me drove ambulances for years without a single accident, did 35 in a 30 = criminal, what happened to common sense ?
I pointed out that if his kid jumped out infront of any of us, mine would stop, whilst the 80 year old in a rusty Metro wouldn't even notice for 2 seconds, and then would probably hit the accelerator.
P*ssed him off a treat, don't lie down, fight back with observation, experience, and common sense. You can't fail if you don't knuckle under.
IMHO
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Towards the end I pointed out that the guy next to me drove ambulances for years without a single accident, did 35 in a 30 = criminal, what happened to common sense ?
I pointed out that if his kid jumped out infront of any of us, mine would stop, whilst the 80 year old in a rusty Metro wouldn't even notice for 2 seconds, and then would probably hit the accelerator.
P*ssed him off a treat, don't lie down, fight back with observation, experience, and common sense. You can't fail if you don't knuckle under.
IMHO
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My old boy is off on one soon for 60 in a 50 going over sheffield way. He'll probably just sit and listen though. 
22 January 2009, 11:03 AM
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Does anyone think you are more or less likely to suffer injury, or whether anyone else is, with the associated level of damage, if you are doing a very high speed instead of something closer to the speed limit when you have an accident, whether your fault or someone else's?
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22 January 2009, 11:11 AM
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Does anyone think you are more or less likely to suffer injury, or whether anyone else is, with the associated level of damage, if you are doing a very high speed instead of something closer to the speed limit when you have an accident, whether your fault or someone else's?
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But I'm much safer driving at 80 mph on the motorway than a drugged up lithuanian with no insurance and no cares doing 40mph on the pavement through Tescos car park
.Once they've banged up all the real criminals then they can start on Joe Public going about their business
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Of course you are likely to suffer more the higher the speed.
But I'm much safer driving at 80 mph on the motorway than a drugged up lithuanian with no insurance and no cares doing 40mph on the pavement through Tescos car park .
Once they've banged up all the real criminals then they can start on Joe Public going about their business.
But I'm much safer driving at 80 mph on the motorway than a drugged up lithuanian with no insurance and no cares doing 40mph on the pavement through Tescos car park
.Once they've banged up all the real criminals then they can start on Joe Public going about their business
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22 January 2009, 01:05 PM
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Les, do you consider "35 in a 30" and "37 in a 30" and "34 in a 30", to be very high speeds?
Who do you consider to be more dangerous, a driver marginally exceeding the speed limit deliberately who is therefore vigilant to the possibility of cameras, police cars etc., or the driver who cruises at the speed limit, irrespective of the conditions, because it has been set by the council and must therefore be safe?
Which causes more damage, a car doing 34 with an alert driver who brakes as soon as a hazard is presented leading to a lower impact speed than the driver cruising at 30 who brakes later due to inattention?
If speed limit compliance has such a direct correlation with road safety then you would expect far better signage. There are numerous locations where the motorist does not know what the limit is, and criminalising them is unfair.
Who do you consider to be more dangerous, a driver marginally exceeding the speed limit deliberately who is therefore vigilant to the possibility of cameras, police cars etc., or the driver who cruises at the speed limit, irrespective of the conditions, because it has been set by the council and must therefore be safe?
Which causes more damage, a car doing 34 with an alert driver who brakes as soon as a hazard is presented leading to a lower impact speed than the driver cruising at 30 who brakes later due to inattention?
If speed limit compliance has such a direct correlation with road safety then you would expect far better signage. There are numerous locations where the motorist does not know what the limit is, and criminalising them is unfair.
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Graham Balaban ROCKS! He needs some kind of national award for getting that on the scammers' site! He just shows them up for the unintelligent, stupid, blinkered idiots that they are and who do us all a 'big picture' road safety disservice!
I have e-mailed a Graham Balaban as its an easy Google - if it IS him can we have a free gold membership of SN standing by webbie. If not I'll post him money for a pint
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Does anyone think you are more or less likely to suffer injury, or whether anyone else is, with the associated level of damage, if you are doing a very high speed instead of something closer to the speed limit when you have an accident, whether your fault or someone else's?
Les
Les
80 or 70 on a motorway is a pretty irrelevant differential IMHO when compared to the necessary risk of travelling and getting where you are going. Its a never ending argument - wouldnt 60 be safer still as a max...? Why can Germans go even quicker with seemingly no further carnage?Of course only idiots speed where there are kids/pedestrians/shops/low flying geese around. But then again people being prosecuted for 34mph in a 30 when everyone is in bed is taking it too far.
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Of course you are likely to suffer more the higher the speed.
But I'm much safer driving at 80 mph on the motorway than a drugged up lithuanian with no insurance and no cares doing 40mph on the pavement through Tescos car park .
Once they've banged up all the real criminals then they can start on Joe Public going about their business.
But I'm much safer driving at 80 mph on the motorway than a drugged up lithuanian with no insurance and no cares doing 40mph on the pavement through Tescos car park
.Once they've banged up all the real criminals then they can start on Joe Public going about their business
.I am on record more than once in saying that we should have a higher max speed limit on motorways, maybe 85-90 mph, I think that would go some way to preventing traffic bunching, but with punitive penalties for exceeding them significantly.
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My father in law went (he's 70!) to one, really good course believe it or not. I was surpised as thought the Police would treat people like kids but apparently they were great & he learnt a lot. Take it I say.
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