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20 January 2009, 03:09 PM
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Sorry, watch experts again
Right then, scooby sold and for my 30th I'm considering buying myself a new watch. I've always fancied a Rolex, I've read through lots of threads on here saying there are much better watches and Rolex are overpriced toot but I still want one 
My current favourite is this GMT Master II
I also like the Submariners but I understand you can't buy these new? Only one I've seen is a ltd edition with green bezel which I like but I can't buy as my mate has one
I'd like to buy in a shop rather than online.
I've also seen one of these in my local jewler, obviously 2nd hand but it's spitting distance from my office window and I'm a lazy sod I'm trying to do some re-search but not sure what money this should fetch as there's no price in the window.
Finally, should I stop being a rolex tart and just get a nice Omega Seamaster for half the price as I've always liked those as well.
Cheers for any input/advice
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My current favourite is this GMT Master II
I also like the Submariners but I understand you can't buy these new? Only one I've seen is a ltd edition with green bezel which I like but I can't buy as my mate has one
I'd like to buy in a shop rather than online. I've also seen one of these in my local jewler, obviously 2nd hand but it's spitting distance from my office window and I'm a lazy sod
I'm trying to do some re-search but not sure what money this should fetch as there's no price in the window.Finally, should I stop being a rolex tart and just get a nice Omega Seamaster for half the price as I've always liked those as well.
Cheers for any input/advice
Chris
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20 January 2009, 03:32 PM
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Cheers Chop, I've actually changed the link for the 2nd hand one above as I got it wrong, it's got a black/red bezel not blue/red. What you reckon on price now?
Also I've been into Ernest Jones who are an official dealer I understand. They can get me a new black face/bezel submariner for £3,400, good price or not?
The new GMT Master in my first post is £4,300.
Decisions, decisions, will probably end up buying a flick flack as they're water resistant
Also I've been into Ernest Jones who are an official dealer I understand. They can get me a new black face/bezel submariner for £3,400, good price or not?
The new GMT Master in my first post is £4,300.
Decisions, decisions, will probably end up buying a flick flack as they're water resistant
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20 January 2009, 03:39 PM
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OK, a bit more digging - the second hand GMT this one is £2,900 and comes with all paperwork, box, etc. They think it's a 2000 model but would have to check. How often do these need servicing or do you leave well alone if it's running ok?
20 January 2009, 03:46 PM
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Jesus the price of GMT II's has shot up, paid about £2.2k for mine back in 98 and about £3.3k for my Submariner LV last March.
Think they recommend a service every 3 years or so, only did my GMT last year so 10 years
Cost about £260 to service, was gaining 2~3 minutes per week at that stage
Think they recommend a service every 3 years or so, only did my GMT last year so 10 years
Cost about £260 to service, was gaining 2~3 minutes per week at that stage
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20 January 2009, 03:49 PM
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Got my first Rolex a few years back, was the GMT2. Lovely looking watch, blue and red bezel, £2400 IIRC. Can't go wrong with them.
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20 January 2009, 03:52 PM
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Crikey, thought I'd get shot down in flames wanting a Rolex
My favourite is definately the GMT II but not sure it's worth an extra £1,000 over the submariner. Don't think official retailers will haggle? Will no doubt be better off going to a good independent but don't want to get a fake
My favourite is definately the GMT II but not sure it's worth an extra £1,000 over the submariner. Don't think official retailers will haggle? Will no doubt be better off going to a good independent but don't want to get a fake
20 January 2009, 03:59 PM
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I have a Z series GMT Master II as pictured.
I would suggest you stick to your first choice, even though its a lot more expensive.
The Z series GMT has a new ceramic bezel insert with 24 click rotation, it also has maxi hands/fingers and markers as the LV, and a bigger times mag on the cyclops.
And it has the new ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX and serial no at 6 o'clock engraved inner chapter ring.
Also it has a whole new locking buckle/clasp.
These are all "big deals" as Rolex dont upgrade/update watch models often.
The second hand one you are looking at has none of these upgrades.
Also the metal insert on any Sub or GMT bezel is prone to dents and scratches, the ceramic insert is alot more robust.
As for buying another brand....If you want a Rolex, buy a Rolex, if you dont you will get buyers blues, and still want a Rolex.
In my view Rolex are excellent, but not the best, I much prefer my Panerai Luminor Daylight to my GMT, and I have for the last three months not taken off my Ball Hydrocarbon Engineer Chrono.
edited to say I have a "Z" Series 116710N not an M...
I would suggest you stick to your first choice, even though its a lot more expensive.
The Z series GMT has a new ceramic bezel insert with 24 click rotation, it also has maxi hands/fingers and markers as the LV, and a bigger times mag on the cyclops.
And it has the new ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX and serial no at 6 o'clock engraved inner chapter ring.
Also it has a whole new locking buckle/clasp.
These are all "big deals" as Rolex dont upgrade/update watch models often.
The second hand one you are looking at has none of these upgrades.
Also the metal insert on any Sub or GMT bezel is prone to dents and scratches, the ceramic insert is alot more robust.
As for buying another brand....If you want a Rolex, buy a Rolex, if you dont you will get buyers blues, and still want a Rolex.
In my view Rolex are excellent, but not the best, I much prefer my Panerai Luminor Daylight to my GMT, and I have for the last three months not taken off my Ball Hydrocarbon Engineer Chrono.
edited to say I have a "Z" Series 116710N not an M...
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20 January 2009, 04:27 PM
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Yep,buy what you want.You've got to wear it!
Thankfully I like all watches so I'll never criticise a watch choice.***
What is about watches that sends us mad
*** EDIT.One of those massive diamond bling things jumped to mind.Beckham/rapper thing
thats a no no
Thankfully I like all watches so I'll never criticise a watch choice.***
What is about watches that sends us mad
*** EDIT.One of those massive diamond bling things jumped to mind.Beckham/rapper thing
thats a no no
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20 January 2009, 07:05 PM
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Yoza, excellent advice mate, cheers
Any recomendation where to buy from? I've seen a few online places offering the new GMT for about £3950 so at least £400 cheaper than Ernest Jones who I doubt will haggle. Obviously a bit wary buying online rather than from shop/authorised dealer.
Lozgti, appreciate what you're saying mate, I don't want anything massively bling, bling like a lot of the Breitling's seem to be. Anything which has too many colours or is covered in diamonds looks naff and is way way out of my price range
Any recomendation where to buy from? I've seen a few online places offering the new GMT for about £3950 so at least £400 cheaper than Ernest Jones who I doubt will haggle. Obviously a bit wary buying online rather than from shop/authorised dealer.
Lozgti, appreciate what you're saying mate, I don't want anything massively bling, bling like a lot of the Breitling's seem to be. Anything which has too many colours or is covered in diamonds looks naff and is way way out of my price range
20 January 2009, 07:19 PM
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Be quick....Rolex prices go up again in a week or two....
I like the current GMT a lot but never liked the Pepsi ones.
There is also a new Submariner out now with the ceramic bezel which is pretty cool too....
You will be able to get a used standard Sub for about £2200.
I like the current GMT a lot but never liked the Pepsi ones.
There is also a new Submariner out now with the ceramic bezel which is pretty cool too....
You will be able to get a used standard Sub for about £2200.
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20 January 2009, 07:21 PM
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Rolex are putting their prices up next week/early feb by around 10 - 15 percent. I have manage to pick up a brand new deep sea for £5900 which i dont think is too bad. They are £5500 list price but that will be going up to over £6000 next week. Collecting it tomorrow so will put up some pictures. My seamaster is quite big but the deepsea makes it look small..
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20 January 2009, 07:24 PM
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Chris - good advice frm Yoza.
The new GMT with the ceramic bezel is a fair bit bigger than the previous model swisswrist are selling. Worth a thought if your wrists are smaller.
Yes, the old insert is prone to dings and scratches, but its cheaply and easily replaced. Also means you can change from black/red to blue/red to all black as you fancy.
Incidentally, Swisswrist are quoting the wrong RRP for the 16710.
That model GMT11 were probably the most accessable of all the sports models and hence carried the lowest residuals. A new old stock GMT2 is not IMO worth anything like £3,600 when you can get a current model ceramic bezel GMTII for £3,900.
The new GMT with the ceramic bezel is a fair bit bigger than the previous model swisswrist are selling. Worth a thought if your wrists are smaller.
Yes, the old insert is prone to dings and scratches, but its cheaply and easily replaced. Also means you can change from black/red to blue/red to all black as you fancy.
Incidentally, Swisswrist are quoting the wrong RRP for the 16710.
That model GMT11 were probably the most accessable of all the sports models and hence carried the lowest residuals. A new old stock GMT2 is not IMO worth anything like £3,600 when you can get a current model ceramic bezel GMTII for £3,900.
20 January 2009, 07:26 PM
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Apparently its all because the pound is so week against the Euro and the Swiss banks that Rolex use!
20 January 2009, 07:34 PM
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It's hard not to start sizing, de tagging/plasticing and wearing the Daytona tbh 
I'm annoyed though that by the time i get my one that i'm going to keep (am on list) they will probably be the same new as it would have cost to buy one with a premium 2/3 years ago
I'm annoyed though that by the time i get my one that i'm going to keep (am on list) they will probably be the same new as it would have cost to buy one with a premium 2/3 years ago
20 January 2009, 07:35 PM
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The ceramic bezel sub is white gold though and will be, what, £15K??
20 January 2009, 07:40 PM
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You would be amazed at the price difference of a pre-owned ROLEX with all plastics in place, and a ROLEX without....
Try £800 extra on a Daytona, for a few peices of heat wrapped plastic.
Nat I have not yet seen or handled a Ceramic Sub, does it have a deeper bezel to accomodate the insert as the GMT does?
Chris...Download the GMT MasterII screensaver from the Rolex website, it runs as a GMT does and reads the correct time, it will help you make the right decision..
Try £800 extra on a Daytona, for a few peices of heat wrapped plastic.
Nat I have not yet seen or handled a Ceramic Sub, does it have a deeper bezel to accomodate the insert as the GMT does?
Chris...Download the GMT MasterII screensaver from the Rolex website, it runs as a GMT does and reads the correct time, it will help you make the right decision..
20 January 2009, 07:43 PM
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You would be amazed at the price difference of a pre-owned ROLEX with all plastics in place, and a ROLEX without....
Try £800 extra on a Daytona, for a few peices of heat wrapped plastic.
Nat I have not yet seen or handled a Ceramic Sub, does it have a deeper bezel to accomodate the insert as the GMT does?
Chris...Download the GMT MasterII screensaver from the Rolex website, it runs as a GMT does and reads the correct time, it will help you make the right decision..
Try £800 extra on a Daytona, for a few peices of heat wrapped plastic.
Nat I have not yet seen or handled a Ceramic Sub, does it have a deeper bezel to accomodate the insert as the GMT does?
Chris...Download the GMT MasterII screensaver from the Rolex website, it runs as a GMT does and reads the correct time, it will help you make the right decision..
20 January 2009, 07:45 PM
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I bought one of these last week from a well known high street jeweller. Planet Ocean Big Size
Priced in the window at £2000.00 but i haggled and paid £1600.00 Not a Rolex but an extremely nice watch.
Geoff.
Priced in the window at £2000.00 but i haggled and paid £1600.00 Not a Rolex but an extremely nice watch.
Geoff.
