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Old 05 December 2008, 06:16 PM
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BBC NEWS | Business | Jeremy Clarkson on car sales decline

You have to admire Clarkson for saying it like it is - and I totally agree with everything he says in this clip.

Regarding the economic crisis he says we haven't even felt it yet - things really are set to get THAT bad, like we have never known it before...
Old 05 December 2008, 06:52 PM
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Perhaps a little over pessimistic but at least realistic
Old 05 December 2008, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
BBC NEWS | Business | Jeremy Clarkson on car sales decline

You have to admire Clarkson for saying it like it is -

Indeed. In the same way that we should all regard with contempt the morons who post inflammatory crap such as this:

https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...eally-bad.html


Old 05 December 2008, 07:42 PM
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I think he is being more or less realistic.

I agree with the point that we haven't even entered into the depression yet.

It doesn't hurt to prepare for disaster that never comes than fail to prepare for the disaster that does happen.

We'll bounce back..........eventually
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He has a point but to be honest No one really knows yet. Everyone has there own idea, be it informed or ill informed, we all have an idea of what will happen next.
I think this is a warning to work as hard as you can to get out of any debt your in so if/when it really hits your not one of the ones that suffers.

Everything you have to sell now to clear your debts you will pick up again in 2 years for a fraction of the price when the people that didnt take this last warning to get there shop in order have to sell up in a market where everyone wants to sell everything.

Ok, I have suitably gone off topic now, Back to Ford!
Old 05 December 2008, 09:41 PM
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i wonder what the big three car industry executives would do if they were told that to accept Tax payers money they have to match it with there fortunes -- put all there beach front properties, ski lodges, cars jets etc on the line

if they make a go of it great -- if they dont, they are bankcrupt -- loose everything

I wonder if they might just say -- fair cop i'll keep me 150 million and screw ford/gm etc

wht do you reckon ---- what would you do?
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I have a few clients who work for "JR" in St James . Also a few others who work for High End American Banks etc.

from what they tell me , Jeremy is right. We have not even got to the front door of what is happening. My worst fears will be crime. If people have no work and homes are taken away etc, Then the social services will be full and unable to cope. Then many will look at all these smug gypos from Eastern europe etc and wonder how they have such nice houses and benefits etc , and still seem to be 'working" and having lots of cash.

It will get messy for sure. I think June will be the time most people will "wake up" and realize that this isnt going to be nice.....
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Originally Posted by Luke
I have a few clients who work for "JR" in St James . Also a few others who work for High End American Banks etc.

from what they tell me , Jeremy is right. We have not even got to the front door of what is happening. My worst fears will be crime. If people have no work and homes are taken away etc, Then the social services will be full and unable to cope. Then many will look at all these smug gypos from Eastern europe etc and wonder how they have such nice houses and benefits etc , and still seem to be 'working" and having lots of cash.

It will get messy for sure. I think June will be the time most people will "wake up" and realize that this isnt going to be nice.....
Which is why all police are to be issued with Taser guns. There will be massive civil unrest when the full impact of Nu Labour's failed 'project' takes hold on a scale that will make previous riots, crime waves etc seem like a tea party.

Rubber bullets are sooo... 70s....
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Dunno, nulabia have always looked after the 'masiff' unwashed. Look at l***s, he seems to be doing OK on dole hand outs
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And the first "targets" will be the Eastern block lot. They will still be taking the cash in hand jobs and claiming the housing etc. Once it starts the Police will never ever be able to control it. They are not able to deal with HUGE riots all over the country. There are not enough jobs and when the brits find their kids are going hungry etc and crime is getting mad. there will be blood on the streets.

Then people in other countries will want some of it.
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Sounded like a sensible take on the problems to me. I also think that when the real effects of all this shameful performance by all those concerned come to light, we will be in a pretty parlous situation.

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Some more from Clarkson on the current economic collapse - makes for interesting reading - he's joking about, but the underlying point he is making is that we are heading for what really could be a frightening situation.

Jeremy Clarkson Vauxhall Insignia 2.8 V6 review | Driving - Times Online

Originally Posted by Clarkson
I was in Dublin last weekend, and had a very real sense I’d been invited to the last days of the Roman empire. As far as I could work out, everyone had a Rolls-Royce Phantom and a coat made from something that’s now extinct. And then there were the women. Wow. Not that long ago every girl on the Emerald Isle had a face the colour of straw and orange hair. Now it’s the other way around.

Everyone appeared to be drunk on naked hedonism. I’ve never seen so much jus being drizzled onto so many improbable things, none of which was potted herring. It was like Barcelona but with beer. And as I careered from bar to bar all I could think was: “Jesus. Can’t they see what’s coming?”

Ireland is tiny. Its population is smaller than New Zealand’s, so how could the Irish ever have generated the cash for so many trips to the hairdressers, so many lobsters and so many Rollers? And how, now, as they become the first country in Europe to go officially into recession, can they not see the financial meteorite coming? Why are they not all at home, singing mournful songs?

It’s the same story on this side of the Irish Sea, of course. We’re all still plunging hither and thither, guzzling wine and wondering what preposterously expensive electronic toys the children will want to smash on Christmas morning this year. We can’t see the meteorite coming either.

I think mainly this is because the government is not telling us the truth. It’s painting Gordon Brown as a global economic messiah and fiddling about with Vat, pretending that the coming recession will be bad. But that it can deal with it.

I don’t think it can. I have spoken to a couple of pretty senior bankers in the past couple of weeks and their story is rather different. They don’t refer to the looming problems as being like 1992 or even 1929. They talk about a total financial meltdown. They talk about the End of Days.

Already we are seeing household names disappearing from the high street and with them will go the suppliers whose names have only ever been visible behind the grime on motorway vans. The job losses will mount. And mount. And mount. And as they climb, the bad debt will put even more pressure on the banks until every single one of them stutters and fails.

The European banks took one hell of a battering when things went wrong in America. Imagine, then, how life will be when the crisis arrives on this side of the Atlantic. Small wonder one City figure of my acquaintance ordered three safes for his London house just last week.

Of course, you may imagine the government will simply step in and nationalise everything, but to do that, it will have to borrow. And when every government is doing the same thing, there simply won’t be enough cash in the global pot. You can forget Iceland. From what I gather, Spain has had it. Along with Italy, Ireland and very possibly the UK.

It is impossible for someone who scored a U in his economics A-level to grapple with the consequences of all this but I’m told that in simple terms money will cease to function as a meaningful commodity. The binary dots and dashes that fuel the entire system will flicker and die. And without money there will be no business. No means of selling goods. No means of transporting them. No means of making them in the first place even. That’s why another friend of mine has recently sold his London house and bought somewhere in the country . . . with a kitchen garden.

These, as I see them, are the facts. Planet Earth thought it had £10. But it turns out we had only £2. Which means everyone must lose 80% of their wealth. And that’s going to be a problem if you were living on the breadline beforehand.

Eventually, of course, the system will reboot itself, but for a while there will be absolute chaos: riots, lynchings, starvation. It’ll be a world without power or fuel, and with no fuel there’s no way the modern agricultural system can be maintained. Which means there will be no food either. You might like to stop and think about that for a while.

I have, and as a result I can see the day when I will have to shoot some of my neighbours - maybe even David Cameron - as we fight for the last bar of Fry’s Turkish Delight in the smoking ruin that was Chipping Norton’s post office.

I believe the government knows this is a distinct possibility and that it might happen next year, and there is absolutely nothing it can do to stop Cameron getting both barrels from my Beretta. But instead of telling us straight, it calls the crisis the “credit crunch” to make it sound like a breakfast cereal and asks Alistair Darling to smile and big up Gordon when he’s being interviewed.

I can’t say I blame it, really. If an enormous meteorite was heading our way and the authorities knew it couldn’t be stopped or diverted, why bother telling anyone? Best to let us soldier on in the dark until it all goes dark for real.

On a more cheery note, Vauxhall has stopped making the Vectra, that dreary, designed-in-a-coffee-break Eurobox that no one wanted. In its place stands the new Insignia, which has been voted European car of the year for 2009.

This award is made by motoring journalists across Europe, and, with the best will in the world, the Swedes do not want the same thing from a car as the Greeks. That’s why they almost always get it wrong. Past winners have been the Talbot Horizon and the Renault 9.

They’ve got the Insignia even more wrong than usual because the absolutely last thing anyone wants right now, and I’m including in the list consumption, a severed artery and a massive shark bite, is a four-door saloon car with a bargain-basement badge.

Oh it’s not a bad car. It’s extremely good-looking, it appears to be very well made, it is spacious and the prices are reasonable. But set against that are seats that are far too hard, the visibility - you can’t see the corners of the car from the driver’s chair - and the solid, inescapable fact that the Ford Mondeo is a more joyful thing to drive.

In the past, none of this would have mattered. Fleet managers would have bought 100 of whichever was the cheapest, and Jenkins from Pots, Pans and Pyrex would have had no say in the matter. Those days, however, are gone. The travelling salesman is now an internet address, and the mini MPV has bopped the traditional saloon on the head. I cannot think of the question in today’s climate to which the answer is “A Vauxhall Insignia”. And I’m surprised my colleagues on the car of the year jury didn’t notice this as well.

Then I keep remembering the Renault 9 and I’m not surprised at all.

I feel, I really do, for the bosses at GM who’ve laboured so hard to make this car. It’s way better than the Vectra. It looks as though they were bothered. But asking their dealerships to sell such a thing in today’s world is a bit like asking men in the first world war trenches to charge the enemy’s machinegun nests with spears.

Right now, there are two paths you can go down. You can either adopt the Irish attitude to the impending catastrophe and party like it’s 1999. In which case you are better off ignoring the Vauxhall and buying a 24ft Donzi speedboat instead.

Or you can actually start to make some sensible preparations for the complete breakdown in society. In which case you don’t want a Vauxhall either. Better to spend the money on a pair of shotguns and an allotment.


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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Which is why all police are to be issued with Taser guns. There will be massive civil unrest when the full impact of Nu Labour's failed 'project' takes hold on a scale that will make previous riots, crime waves etc seem like a tea party.

Rubber bullets are sooo... 70s....
Global financial crisis!!!!! Change the record please or is Brown now the president of Planet Earth?

You are so .... 90s....
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Global financial crisis!!!!! Change the record please or is Brown now the president of Planet Earth?
It will be worse in Britain in elsewhere.
Old 08 December 2008, 10:29 AM
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the senior bankers that Clarkson talks about believe, as a recent article in the papers discovered, that the average UK wage is "between 60 to 70k" so i wouldn't look to them for much rational thought on the matters at hand

they clearly have a problem distinguishing between "***** and elbows"
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Are these the same banking experts that predicted that we were going to see £1.50 a liter for petrol by Christmas? It will be tight for a few years, no question, but the world will keep turning.
Old 08 December 2008, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by chrispurvis100
Are these the same banking experts that predicted that we were going to see £1.50 a liter for petrol by Christmas? It will be tight for a few years, no question, but the world will keep turning.
Some were predicting $200 a barrel, but some were predicting prices would fall back.

The difference here is all of them are agreed we are facing a worsening economic crisis, and the debate this time is how to deal with it not whether or not its happening...
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Originally Posted by chrispurvis100
Are these the same banking experts that predicted that we were going to see £1.50 a liter for petrol by Christmas? It will be tight for a few years, no question, but the world will keep turning.
Indeed.The same banking experts that didn't even see this coming at all?
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I fancy a bit of "mad max', the world is getting so boring these days. And when it does go...... i know who i am going to 'whack" first.

Get your shotgun license application in fast.And stock up on ammo.
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I reckon that this is all part of the upper echelons of the government and banking community to get the UK into the Euro. Once the value of the £ gets down to the same as the Euro, and starts to go lower, the British public will be crying to join the Euro to safeguard what they have left so it doesnt wither to nothing. Then the government (any government, red or blue) doesnt need to have a referendum they wont win and the great unwashed think its the best thing to do.

Food for thought.....

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Do you think his cold is getting him down?
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