Labours DNA database ...
17 August 2008, 07:18 PM
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Labours DNA database ...
Yet another step in the insidious (sp?) erosion of our civil liberties or a good idea?
IMHO it sounds very sinister
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IMHO it sounds very sinister
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17 August 2008, 07:31 PM
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It's a passive system, as in it only gets used AFTER a crime has been committed. Don't commit a crime and you have no fears. Much like the proper application of ANPR. A patrol car setting up in a random, or even a specific but temporary location and monitoring passing vehicles is perfectly acceptable. A nationwide network of fixed cameras giving the ability to track and record the movements of everybody is a serious breach of our civil liberties.
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Mmmm 
How long before other companies get access to the d/base though? I'm sure that insurance companies would like to see peoples DNA profile ...
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How long before other companies get access to the d/base though? I'm sure that insurance companies would like to see peoples DNA profile ...
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17 August 2008, 07:43 PM
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This is the one that scares me: Malicious gossip could cost you your job | The Register
Basically if an employer performs a check and you've been ACCUSED of anything then it appears. Not found guilty, not even necessarily been even remotely looked at seriously, just an accusation.
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Basically if an employer performs a check and you've been ACCUSED of anything then it appears. Not found guilty, not even necessarily been even remotely looked at seriously, just an accusation.
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17 August 2008, 07:54 PM
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This is the one that scares me: Malicious gossip could cost you your job | The Register
Basically if an employer performs a check and you've been ACCUSED of anything then it appears. Not found guilty, not even necessarily been even remotely looked at seriously, just an accusation.
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Basically if an employer performs a check and you've been ACCUSED of anything then it appears. Not found guilty, not even necessarily been even remotely looked at seriously, just an accusation.
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17 August 2008, 08:06 PM
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As I've explained at length before, the profile on the NDNADB contains no useful data except your gender. It used to contain a bit to show whether you had a particular type of red hair, but I believe that is no longer tested. The portion of DNA looked at is the STR range of "junk DNA" which does not code for anything. It enabled your DNA to be compared to another sample, and that's it. Please do not confuse the database with the Human Genome Project.
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Er, how do the Police know where to find you then?
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As I've explained at length before, the profile on the NDNADB contains no useful data except your gender. It used to contain a bit to show whether you had a particular type of red hair, but I believe that is no longer tested. The portion of DNA looked at is the STR range of "junk DNA" which does not code for anything. It enabled your DNA to be compared to another sample, and that's it. Please do not confuse the database with the Human Gebome Project.
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one would assume your DNA is linked to a reference number which itself is on your record (If you have one).
I assume this how they find out.
It is scary stuff though, one of my friends is on the database and the police broke down his door one day and arrested him for armed robbery on DNA evidence.
Apparantly, he was at a house party and was messing round with a scream mask (putting it on and going WOO! and sucklike) and said mask was used for an armed robbery.
He was very lucky he was able to provide an alibi, complete with witnesses otherwise he would be in court on this evidence and not very much in the way of a defence....
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I assume this how they find out.
It is scary stuff though, one of my friends is on the database and the police broke down his door one day and arrested him for armed robbery on DNA evidence.
Apparantly, he was at a house party and was messing round with a scream mask (putting it on and going WOO! and sucklike) and said mask was used for an armed robbery.
He was very lucky he was able to provide an alibi, complete with witnesses otherwise he would be in court on this evidence and not very much in the way of a defence....
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Exactly. People shed DNA all the time, in hair, skin cells quite apart from fluids. You could handle something in a shop, the object is used in a crime, and then they might come a-knocking. And of course it is 100% solid evidence isn't it - the jury is told there's a billion-to-one chance that the DNA is somebody elses.
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"Since 2004, the data of everyone arrested for a recordable offence in England and Wales - all but the most minor offences - has remained on the system regardless of their age, the seriousness of their alleged offence, and whether or not they were prosecuted."
"Recordable offences include being drunk in a public place; failing to leave licensed premises when requested to do so; taking part in a prohibited public procession; some types of trespassing; and begging. Most driving offences are not recordable."
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"Recordable offences include being drunk in a public place; failing to leave licensed premises when requested to do so; taking part in a prohibited public procession; some types of trespassing; and begging. Most driving offences are not recordable."
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17 August 2008, 10:32 PM
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WTF? How? In order to do that they'd need to take some more DNA from you over an above the sample needed to add you to the DB, because that is destroyed during analysis. And most people would notice someone asking them to spit in a cup then taking it away.
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If you are arrested your sample is taken, then it's on the DB. Then they just need something with your DNA to put at a crime scene. Cigarette? Used tissue, loads of things that could be found in your rubbish bin...
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What secret agenda? You are turning into a crackpot matey
I pressume that convicting the right people, and not the innocent could be cited as good reasons to have a DNA database