47 NAT

I know there's a few knowledgeable people from different trades on here, so I thought I'd fire this acrcoss as some of you may know the answer or been down this road before....


If a Method statement & Risk Assessment states, that all people working on a site will be wearing the relevant PPE eg: steel toe capped boots, high visibility jacket/vest, safety helmets, gloves, glasses, ( Do weatherproofs apply to working outside when its raining and are they essential?). Would the Employer/Site Manager be at fault if they had not checked that all employees had the relevant PPE or training to work on the site doing that task beforehand?

Would or should it be the case that they shouldn't be allowed on site say, if they didn't have steel toe capped boots on?

Also if the Employers were aware that one of the employees had no PPE or training and allowed them to carry on working either knowing this and/or turning a blind eye to this, would they be at fault if someone did have an accident on site?

spireite

THE PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AT WORK REGULATIONS 1992 ....

A Spider from Mars

If the person is required to work outside (in inclement weather) then yes wet weather gear would be considered as PPE. This would need to be risk assessed (HASAWA & Man Regs) and if found necessary supplied by the contractor/client.

Yes

Yes

Yes

Hope that helps

Paul

john_s

iTrader: (1)

Both the employer and site manager would be liable to be held at fault for that.

If employees are expected to work in the rain, there is likely to be a risk to them (they get wet, cold, more likely to make mistakes or have an accident) or to others, so weather protection would be considered PPE and should be provided by the employer.

Like the signs on some buildings sites say: "No hard hat, no boots, no job."

If someone isn't wearing the correct PPE, then they should not be on site.

Should anything happen, the first question asked will be "Why did this employee not have boots on when the MS / RA says they are required?"

Very much so.

bugeyeandy

Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

spireite

Quote:
Originally Posted by 47 NAT
I know there's a few knowledgeable people from different trades on here, so I thought I'd fire this acrcoss as some of you may know the answer or been down this road before....

If a Method statement & Risk Assessment states, that all people working on a site will be wearing the relevant PPE eg: steel toe capped boots, high visibility jacket/vest, safety helmets, gloves, glasses, ... Would the Employer/Site Manager be at fault if they had not checked that all employees had the relevant PPE or training to work on the site doing that task beforehand?

Both the employer and site manager would be liable to be held at fault for that.


you will find if the employee as signed onto the RA and MS he is liable

47 NAT

Thanks a lot for your info, much appreciated

I asked the question for 2 reasons and mainly because prevention is better than cure

47 NAT

You've lost me on that bit, care to explain

spireite

General duties of employees at work.

7. It shall be the duty of every employee while at work

• to take reasonable care for the health and safety of himself and of other persons who may be affected by his acts or omissions at work; and
• as regards any duty or requirement imposed on his employer or any other person by or under any of the relevant statutory provisions, to co-operate with him so far as is necessary to enable that duty or requirement to be performed or complied with.

Duty not to interfere with or misuse things provided pursuant to certain provisions.

8. No person shall intentionally or recklessly interfere with or misuse anything provided in the interests of health, safety or welfare in pursuance of any of the relevant statutory provisions.

47 NAT

Got you now, thanks

spireite

although he should not have got past the site induction without himself or his company not being able to provide his qualifications or training records

PaulC72

At our firm they have just made the global statement across the whole business that no one is to enter a construction site without PPE, beit office staff or site staff, subcontractors, this even stretches to any official visitors or clients representitives or say it was a supermarket it would be the shop workers too if they had to enter the site for any reason.

Site PPE steel toecaps shoes/boots, Hardhat, High Vis Vest/Coat

And that goes even for meetings in the site cabin.

The first site manager who didn't follow the rule & the contract manager who also let it go, got told off, the next one will be sacked.

+Doc+

I think someone needs to take a look at the cowboys throwing some wooden houses up next to us.
10ft off the ground, no hi vis, no hard hats, no scaffolding.
Scary stuff.

PaulC72

Just call the HSE, they love things like that

spireite

They're all busy doing training at our place .

47 NAT

Thats handy to know
Am I ok to PM you?
Don't worry, I won't pretend to be best of friends afterwards, swamp you with messages, telephone calls and tell the whole world we're best of buddies

Could do with just picking your brains a bit more off this bb.