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47 NAT 06 August 2008 01:22 PM
Q on Health & Safety at work
 
I know there's a few knowledgeable people from different trades on here, so I thought I'd fire this acrcoss as some of you may know the answer or been down this road before....


If a Method statement & Risk Assessment states, that all people working on a site will be wearing the relevant PPE eg: steel toe capped boots, high visibility jacket/vest, safety helmets, gloves, glasses, ( Do weatherproofs apply to working outside when its raining and are they essential?). Would the Employer/Site Manager be at fault if they had not checked that all employees had the relevant PPE or training to work on the site doing that task beforehand?

Would or should it be the case that they shouldn't be allowed on site say, if they didn't have steel toe capped boots on?

Also if the Employers were aware that one of the employees had no PPE or training and allowed them to carry on working either knowing this and/or turning a blind eye to this, would they be at fault if someone did have an accident on site?

spireite 06 August 2008 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by 47 NAT (Post 8052233)
I know there's a few knowledgeable people from different trades on here, so I thought I'd fire this acrcoss as some of you may know the answer or been down this road before....


If a Method statement & Risk Assessment states, that all people working on a site will be wearing the relevant PPE eg: steel toe capped boots, high visibility jacket/vest, safety helmets, gloves, glasses, ( Do weatherproofs apply to working outside when its raining and are they essential?). Would the Employer/Site Manager be at fault if they had not checked that all employees had the relevant PPE or training to work on the site doing that task beforehand?

Would or should it be the case that they shouldn't be allowed on site say, if they didn't have steel toe capped boots on?

Also if the Employers were aware that one of the employees had no PPE or training and allowed them to carry on working either knowing this and/or turning a blind eye to this, would they be at fault if someone did have an accident on site?
THE PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AT WORK REGULATIONS 1992 ....

A Spider from Mars 06 August 2008 02:15 PM
Originally Posted by 47 NAT (Post 8052233)
1. Do weatherproofs apply to working outside when its raining and are they essential?
If the person is required to work outside (in inclement weather) then yes wet weather gear would be considered as PPE. This would need to be risk assessed (HASAWA & Man Regs) and if found necessary supplied by the contractor/client.

he Employer/Site Manager be at fault if they had not checked that all employees had the relevant PPE or training to work on the site doing that task beforehand?
Yes

should it be the case that they shouldn't be allowed on site say, if they didn't have steel toe capped boots on?
Yes

Also if the Employers were aware that one of the employees had no PPE or training and allowed them to carry on working either knowing this and/or turning a blind eye to this, would they be at fault if someone did have an accident on site?
Yes

Hope that helps

Paul :)

john_s 06 August 2008 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by 47 NAT (Post 8052233)
I know there's a few knowledgeable people from different trades on here, so I thought I'd fire this acrcoss as some of you may know the answer or been down this road before....

If a Method statement & Risk Assessment states, that all people working on a site will be wearing the relevant PPE eg: steel toe capped boots, high visibility jacket/vest, safety helmets, gloves, glasses, ... Would the Employer/Site Manager be at fault if they had not checked that all employees had the relevant PPE or training to work on the site doing that task beforehand?
Both the employer and site manager would be liable to be held at fault for that.

Originally Posted by 47 NAT (Post 8052233)
( Do weatherproofs apply to working outside when its raining and are they essential?).
If employees are expected to work in the rain, there is likely to be a risk to them (they get wet, cold, more likely to make mistakes or have an accident) or to others, so weather protection would be considered PPE and should be provided by the employer.

Originally Posted by 47 NAT (Post 8052233)
Would or should it be the case that they shouldn't be allowed on site say, if they didn't have steel toe capped boots on?
Like the signs on some buildings sites say: "No hard hat, no boots, no job."

If someone isn't wearing the correct PPE, then they should not be on site.

Should anything happen, the first question asked will be "Why did this employee not have boots on when the MS / RA says they are required?"

Originally Posted by 47 NAT (Post 8052233)
Also if the Employers were aware that one of the employees had no PPE or training and allowed them to carry on working either knowing this and/or turning a blind eye to this, would they be at fault if someone did have an accident on site?
Very much so.

bugeyeandy 06 August 2008 02:26 PM
Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

spireite 06 August 2008 02:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 47 NAT
I know there's a few knowledgeable people from different trades on here, so I thought I'd fire this acrcoss as some of you may know the answer or been down this road before....

If a Method statement & Risk Assessment states, that all people working on a site will be wearing the relevant PPE eg: steel toe capped boots, high visibility jacket/vest, safety helmets, gloves, glasses, ... Would the Employer/Site Manager be at fault if they had not checked that all employees had the relevant PPE or training to work on the site doing that task beforehand?

Both the employer and site manager would be liable to be held at fault for that.


you will find if the employee as signed onto the RA and MS he is liable

47 NAT 06 August 2008 04:58 PM
Thanks a lot for your info, much appreciated :)

I asked the question for 2 reasons and mainly because prevention is better than cure :thumb:

47 NAT 06 August 2008 05:01 PM
Originally Posted by spireite (Post 8052395)
Quote:
you will find if the employee as signed onto the RA and MS he is liable
You've lost me on that bit, care to explain :wonder:

spireite 06 August 2008 05:08 PM
Originally Posted by 47 NAT (Post 8052660)
You've lost me on that bit, care to explain :wonder:
General duties of employees at work.

7. It shall be the duty of every employee while at work
  • to take reasonable care for the health and safety of himself and of other persons who may be affected by his acts or omissions at work; and
  • as regards any duty or requirement imposed on his employer or any other person by or under any of the relevant statutory provisions, to co-operate with him so far as is necessary to enable that duty or requirement to be performed or complied with.
Duty not to interfere with or misuse things provided pursuant to certain provisions.

8. No person shall intentionally or recklessly interfere with or misuse anything provided in the interests of health, safety or welfare in pursuance of any of the relevant statutory provisions.

47 NAT 06 August 2008 05:16 PM
Got you now, thanks :)

spireite 06 August 2008 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by 47 NAT (Post 8052705)
Got you now, thanks :)

although he should not have got past the site induction without himself or his company not being able to provide his qualifications or training records

PaulC72 06 August 2008 07:03 PM
At our firm they have just made the global statement across the whole business that no one is to enter a construction site without PPE, beit office staff or site staff, subcontractors, this even stretches to any official visitors or clients representitives or say it was a supermarket it would be the shop workers too if they had to enter the site for any reason.

Site PPE steel toecaps shoes/boots, Hardhat, High Vis Vest/Coat

And that goes even for meetings in the site cabin.

The first site manager who didn't follow the rule & the contract manager who also let it go, got told off, the next one will be sacked.

+Doc+ 06 August 2008 08:03 PM
I think someone needs to take a look at the cowboys throwing some wooden houses up next to us.
10ft off the ground, no hi vis, no hard hats, no scaffolding.
Scary stuff.

PaulC72 06 August 2008 08:19 PM
Just call the HSE, they love things like that :)

spireite 06 August 2008 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by PaulC72 (Post 8053176)
Just call the HSE, they love things like that :)
They're all busy doing training at our place .:)

47 NAT 07 August 2008 08:44 AM
Originally Posted by spireite (Post 8053180)
They're all busy doing training at our place .:)

Thats handy to know :D
Am I ok to PM you?
Don't worry, I won't pretend to be best of friends afterwards, swamp you with messages, telephone calls and tell the whole world we're best of buddies :lol1:

Could do with just picking your brains a bit more off this bb.


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