lem6

a work colleague has told me he has been offered these at his shady gym he goes to, anyone had any experiences of these, obviously roids are pretty bad for you but he seems to think the growth hormone isn't?!!

Snazy

Get the clinical name for it and Google it.
These things are made for a reason, so in certain cases are the best option, but for a perfectly healthy individual I would avoid it.

It it aint natural, its not worth it.
Eat better, train harder

jaytc2003

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if your mate hasnt plateued then better to stick to a clean diet and maybe change the training routine.

I do know someone who used growth hormone and he is a big lad (stocky as hell)

Roids arent that bad if used sensibly, watched a good program last night on them from a discovery channel (Recorded it last week) that had an interesting insight into them and possible long term effects

jaytc2003

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to add he also uses roids (injectables)

sbk1972

I know a few guys in my gym that are on these, some that also inject insulin too ! Mate just brough a load of GH for around £200.

Tell your mate though, regardless of the arguement of health issues, that 90% of the stuff out there now is cheap, fake, poor quality stuff. So watch out.

For me, well I dont bother with it, but Im a naturally tall, stocky chap (genetic makeup also helps) anyway. Ive found that good training techniques, good diet and you will see results. Remember, if you strip fat off, you will be more defined / cut and look bigger / more muscley.

However, if your lean anyway, and want to put on size then these things alway look a quick fix.

Tell your friend to go to MuscleTalk Bodybuilding Forum These guys know their stuff, read up, and Im sure he will see results.

Best of luck

SBK

kingofturds

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More protein and lift harder! A load of the young lads at my gym are on dbol atm tbh they swell up pretty big then just lose all their mass when they cycle off. It's mainly water retention anyway.

Also if you don't know what you are doing you could well end up with a nice pair of b1tch **** and ********* that do not work

magepaster

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I've managed to get both without taking anything

lem6

i think i may try the g/h as i am a really hard gainer and seem to have to train twice as hard to see results,apparantly there are some in tablet form?

hux309

Epistane is a good one to watch, good dry gains that i kept when going pct, i was hammering the weights hitting pb's most sessions.

Oh and it's legal, for now anyway, i may go on another cycle when the time is right, knocking on a bit so age is getting the better of me.

New_scooby_04

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LOL. Quite

My advice to anyone taking up Bodybuilding is always the same. Get the basics right first: Diet, training and rest.

Your body will take care of the rest. People often expect too much way too soon; it takes time and effort!

Ns04

lem6

epistane?
where from mate?

kingofturds

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What are your stats age/weight bodyfat? and your workout regime?

gaz-cole

be careful taking the growth hormone without doing your full research, as you inevitably do yourself more harm than good.

hux309

From here, but they're out of stock atm.

Cheap UK Supplements - Epistane

But kot is right the first thing muscletalk will want to know is bodyweight/age/diet etc.

For me it was good, very damn good but with others it may be less pronounced.

But anyway im into cardio rather than lifting weights, i would just use it to speed my recovery rate.

But post cycle is important to do right, do lots of reading up first.

lem6

155lbs/25y/o, 3x training session per week,bodyfat minimal.

kingofturds

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and height

Will

i heard you can have extreme effects from gh, like your fingers, feet and jaw bone growing makeing you look like a freak, and even your organs like heart etc etc

lem6

5 10", getting v annoyed as no real gains,been using maximuscle cyclone+promax.

jaytc2003

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whats the rest of your diet like?

GH is quite hardcore, before that I would look into the pro hormone route if you ae going that way (lots still legal in the uk at present) , but do lots of reading first

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kingofturds

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Sounds like you need to eat big and get at least 120-150 grams of protein a day.

My biggest mistake starting out was wanting to get big, yet not wanting to get fat and ended up making no real gains.

Get some heavy deadlifts and squats into your routine and eat around 2700-3500 calories a day and I guarantee you will put on muscle.

If you are going to take steroids anyway please do some research,hairloss,liver problems and breast tumors are all possible side effects

leonpoole

It must be snake oil if he has paid around 200 quid for a load of it

jaytc2003

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yep and also kidney problems, short temper, acne, high blood presure etc etc If you do decide on them, make sure you get them from a good source, ie if its someone at the gym see how they are on them

lem6

cheers for all the responses guys, steroids not for me,but may give hgh a try + protein shakes see how it goes.
+does the weight gain stuff really work?

The Chief

No it makes you fat.

Its full of sugars and crap.

Get a decent protein with low carbs to build decent muscle,

eat 5 times a day and train only twice a week but with high intensity - what i mean by that is dont f**k about at the gym chatting to mates.

train heavy and hard with good form and eat well and get plenty of rest and you will grow.

Try the whey consortium or my protein for cheap online protein.

The Chief

btw proper GH and i mean the proper stuff is a lot more expensive than 200 quid more like thousands. Roids are synthetic and are cheaper.

I'm no expert on Roids as i've and will never take them so mayvbe someone will correct me on this

leonpoole

Your spot on there mate

scoobakev

as far as i am lead to believe the body can only absorb a certain amount of protein a day ( 40 grams ) so taking 120-150 grams is a waste of protein.

The side effects of these things far out weigh the gains as i've seen people in the gym become very withdrawn, parnoid, extremely volatile to name just a few, and then when they stop taking them they end up with droopy **** and a pot belly!

imho better having good diet, 6 small meals a day, and good training buddy.

I use pharma-whey protein, very good quality and contains a unique mix to help training( avail from powerhouse ).

Oh and remember that it takes time, these things dont happen overnight for a reason.

kingofturds

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My protein were (maybe still) doing 10lbs of no frills whey for 30 quid you know you are getting enough protein when your farts make people leave the room in disgust.

kingofturds

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The body can absorb 40 grams of protein per hour, 40 grams a day would not be enough to repair muscle damage caused by every day activity for most weightlifters.

The Chief

True, your body can only take enough protein in one hit, so spread your meals out over 5 or six meals. I (Wrongly) assumed you could devour as much clean protein as you want without putting weight on. Although protein is absorbed 4 times quicker than carbs excess amounts will put weight on.

A certain Kerry Kayes who owns CnP and is Ricky Hattons strength and nutrition coach told me this and i had to eat humble pie