scoobz72

How long before F1 is a diesel sport, as touring cars seem to be going down this route?

Diesels are the future? What do you think?

51st state

i can't wait for the impreza STTDI to arrive

sat there at the side of a STI at the lights, they turn green and the STI gets left in a cloud of black smoke off the STTDI

scoobz72

lol now thats gotta be worth seeing

Luminous

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eurgh...whats the point? They just don't sound right.

scoobz72

I agree but is it likely?
I think its imminent, look back to the 70s / 80s F1 cars, big wheels, huge turbos, masses of power. Now compare todays F1, smaller engines, treaded tyres.

It has to be on the horizon as much as we all dont want it.

The 500cc championship was the elite, the pinnacle of championships with 2 stroke power. Now look at it, 4 strokes which are just as fast.

Luminous

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It will only happen if its wanted by the masses...or sufficient pressure placed on the sport from the politically correct.

Diesel is not necessarily a better fuel. Yes, you get more miles per gallon as there is more energy in a litre of diesel than a litre of petrol. However, diesel has lots of carcinogenic components.

I don't think motorsport will get a much of a following with diesels, they just don't make enough noise for it to be exciting. All the previous changes that have been made have been to reduce performance as the machinery got faster. They can still continue to do that by reducing engine sizes further and further if necessary.

youngstar

subaru already do a boxer diesel engine, still has the flat 4 burble just not as pronounced,
i would love to have the performance of my sti4 but the economy of my work 2.0 tdci mondeo tho!
chris

Luminous

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the day they make a diesel sound like my scoobie when its roaring through its sports exhaust at 6k+ rpm is the day I will buy one. Until then I will just be poor and have to suffer poor economy.

Either that, or I will just buy the cheapest piece of tat should I no longer be able to afford a car that I actually like.

J4CKO

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Wont happen unless they allow turbos back in.

Scoobyols69

i think dump valves would sound like a tractor on a diesel turbo'd car

SVXNUT

Been for a drive in a legacy diesel demonstrator. Liked it. But dealer said wait till next spring as they are getting a 220hp WRXSTID impreza. Under test its 0-60 is 4.7 secs.

Paul3446

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The 500cc championship was the elite, the pinnacle of championships with 2 stroke power. Now look at it, 4 strokes which are just as fast.


But they have 800cc engines as opposed to the 500cc 2 strokes!

The day they went to 4 strokes was the day that I lost interest in bike GPs, they went from being something that only a handful of truly great riders could master, to fairly rider friendly superbikes.

Leslie

There is no reason why diesels cant be made to give all the power, but the engines will always be heavier to withstand the stresses.

Les

stara

so if it's all about power, then why not applaud electric vehicles, waaaay more efficient than any fossil fuel engine, i can just imagine the F1e grid, all humming milk-float stylee as the lights change. pitstop for new batteries, or a top up charge.....................maybe not.

NotoriousREV

The big restriction is revs. Diesel burns slowly which means you can't go much beyond 5000rpm.

RRH

The engine freeze should prevent diesels in F1 for the foreseeable future

scoobz72

lol in a funny way you may have a point. Not saying electric F1 will catch on, scalextric is already here, but the eco warriors will surely get larger screws to turn on the governing bodies. yes it political but thats how its going to be.

And yes the motogp bikes are 800cc, but a 500cc 4 stroke will not produce the power and acceleration of a 500cc 2 stroke, hence the bigger bore.

I am the same, its only really been this year I have watched motogp again because Toseland has a competitive bike.

rob878

Aye Colin Edwards had the same thought about the Aprilia cube, a bike he described as like trying to ride a bull after you had cut its ***** off and waving them in front of it's face.

The current desmosedici, only Stoner has been able to get it to be consistently on the podium, as the power is a pig to put down. Granted they might not have the light switch power band of the original 500's, but then again neither did the final NSRs which were much more compliant than the fire breathing beasts Doohan Et Al tamed, or in somecases didn't.

Sorry for going off topic

scoobz72

I remember the big bang motors, totally adapted for Doohan IMO.
He took advantage of the fear factor and won many times, and deserved it.
Would be good to see a superbike aginst a motogp bike against a 500cc 2 stroke.

Or how about a diesel superbike? lol

Nido

That would be boring. Unless you took a particularly bizarre circuit, the MGP bike (800 or 990) will be off over the horizon over the course of a race distance

The first year of 990 4T's saw them pissing all over the 500 2T's, imgaine how that would be after 6 years of development? The 2T's had stagnated in development, the 4T's are living the electronics revolution

Leslie

Interesting-I never realised that before. But then I have never had any experience with tuning diesels.

Les

PeteBrant

I'm surprised they haven't gone back to Turbos. The old F1 turbos were 1500cc, and they got up to 1400BHP out of them. With todays technology you could easily envisage a 1000cc turbo engine.

Gear Head

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But think of the amount of fuel it would guzzle!

F1 is trying ever so hard to reduce costs. Introducing a completely new style of engine just wouldn't work.

They are set to introduce the engine recovery systems bext year, which is a start.

Leslie

I was able to squeeze around 265 BHP out of my turbcharged 1300 cc BDA at 11500 RPM, but that was working in my garage on a very limited budget. It did as much as 7MPG on the track!

Les