Why can't DC3 Dakotas fly anymore after this year?
17 April 2008, 01:13 PM
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Why can't DC3 Dakotas fly anymore after this year?
Just seen an advert in the Telegraph offering flights in a Dakota. It says that due to European regulation this is the last year that they can fly?
Anyone know why this is?
Just booking a couple of tickets for myself and a friend
Anyone know why this is?
Just booking a couple of tickets for myself and a friend
17 April 2008, 04:50 PM
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Or you could fly to NZ where they don't have such silly regulations
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17 April 2008, 10:23 PM
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Better vote for a party that wants to leave the EU then ......
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18 April 2008, 01:33 PM
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It is the plonkers in the Eu who are screwing all this sort of thing up quite unecessarily of course. Quite ridiculous to do that to the DC3 which has navigated the airways for so many years without a problem. It would be easy to fit a GPS as in the Vulcan which would do the job adequately. Its safety equipment has proved to be quite sufficient over the years too of course.
As far as displays are concerned, they have insisted that larger aircraft now have to have the type of insurance that applies to very large passenger aircraft for an air display which grounded the Sally B for a while until they found a sponsor and that will also apply to the Vulcan and the Lanc I imagine. These people have no soul and just think "by numbers" producing these unecessarily restrictive regulations without a thought to the enjoyment of traditional machines by the rest of us. Mindless stupidity of course
Les
As far as displays are concerned, they have insisted that larger aircraft now have to have the type of insurance that applies to very large passenger aircraft for an air display which grounded the Sally B for a while until they found a sponsor and that will also apply to the Vulcan and the Lanc I imagine. These people have no soul and just think "by numbers" producing these unecessarily restrictive regulations without a thought to the enjoyment of traditional machines by the rest of us. Mindless stupidity of course
Les
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19 April 2008, 02:23 PM
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It is the plonkers in the Eu who are screwing all this sort of thing up quite unecessarily of course. Quite ridiculous to do that to the DC3 which has navigated the airways for so many years without a problem. It would be easy to fit a GPS as in the Vulcan which would do the job adequately. Its safety equipment has proved to be quite sufficient over the years too of course.
As far as displays are concerned, they have insisted that larger aircraft now have to have the type of insurance that applies to very large passenger aircraft for an air display which grounded the Sally B for a while until they found a sponsor and that will also apply to the Vulcan and the Lanc I imagine. These people have no soul and just think "by numbers" producing these unecessarily restrictive regulations without a thought to the enjoyment of traditional machines by the rest of us. Mindless stupidity of course
Les
As far as displays are concerned, they have insisted that larger aircraft now have to have the type of insurance that applies to very large passenger aircraft for an air display which grounded the Sally B for a while until they found a sponsor and that will also apply to the Vulcan and the Lanc I imagine. These people have no soul and just think "by numbers" producing these unecessarily restrictive regulations without a thought to the enjoyment of traditional machines by the rest of us. Mindless stupidity of course
Les
19 April 2008, 04:54 PM
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Think I'm going to book a couple of seats on the Blackpool flight, while I still can 
If I tell you that the passenger access doors of a DC3 are only 4' of the ground, the slides thing stops making sense too doesn't it 
Miniman, since the aircraft aren't ex military, i would have thuogh these rules wouldn't apply to the BoB memorial flight
Miniman, since the aircraft aren't ex military, i would have thuogh these rules wouldn't apply to the BoB memorial flight
19 April 2008, 05:15 PM
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Think I'm going to book a couple of seats on the Blackpool flight, while I still can
If I tell you that the passenger access doors of a DC3 are only 4' of the ground, the slides thing stops making sense too doesn't it
Miniman, since the aircraft aren't ex military, i would have thuogh these rules wouldn't apply to the BoB memorial flight
If I tell you that the passenger access doors of a DC3 are only 4' of the ground, the slides thing stops making sense too doesn't it
Miniman, since the aircraft aren't ex military, i would have thuogh these rules wouldn't apply to the BoB memorial flight
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19 April 2008, 07:31 PM
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I might be wrong, but I'm sure the Lanc of BBMF.. while not receiving direct funding from the Government.. other than the RAF maintenance & support (aka manpower and facilities) is still actually classed as a military aircraft. Much the same as HMS Victory is still a commissioned warship.
The Vulcan, is a completely private/charitable venture which no doubt has and always will be bound with red tape/bureaucracy
However these rules are for civil aviation aircraft carrying passengers as far as I understand them, so don't apply to either.
The Vulcan, is a completely private/charitable venture which no doubt has and always will be bound with red tape/bureaucracy
However these rules are for civil aviation aircraft carrying passengers as far as I understand them, so don't apply to either.
19 April 2008, 10:34 PM
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Here you go Swampie, you're not wrong;
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20 April 2008, 12:08 PM
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I might be wrong, but I'm sure the Lanc of BBMF.. while not receiving direct funding from the Government.. other than the RAF maintenance & support (aka manpower and facilities) is still actually classed as a military aircraft. Much the same as HMS Victory is still a commissioned warship.
The Vulcan, is a completely private/charitable venture which no doubt has and always will be bound with red tape/bureaucracy
However these rules are for civil aviation aircraft carrying passengers as far as I understand them, so don't apply to either.
The Vulcan, is a completely private/charitable venture which no doubt has and always will be bound with red tape/bureaucracy
However these rules are for civil aviation aircraft carrying passengers as far as I understand them, so don't apply to either.
The insurance bit is separate to all that and will be necessary as well. It will be very expensive since the aircraft will be treated the same as a very large civilian aircraft which is required by Eu rulings. That new ruling nearly grounded the "SallyB" until they were able to find a sponsor to pay it for them.
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20 April 2008, 09:47 PM
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Just got from my Dak flight from Doncaster Robin Hood Airport...
Weather was a bit crappy, so affected visibility a bit, made the flight a little more interesting in the turbulence stakes...
Nice experience, not unlike being in the back of a Herc.. just more comfy seats, bigger windows and a sense of history
Flight was a little short at 20 mins, but overall was probably worth the £65
Will post up a couple of pics in a bit...
Weather was a bit crappy, so affected visibility a bit, made the flight a little more interesting in the turbulence stakes...
Nice experience, not unlike being in the back of a Herc.. just more comfy seats, bigger windows and a sense of history
Flight was a little short at 20 mins, but overall was probably worth the £65
Will post up a couple of pics in a bit...