NHS waiting times rise under Labour
04 March 2008, 08:42 PM
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NHS waiting times rise under Labour
NHS waiting times rise under Labour - Yahoo! News UK
Brown, looks like your chickens are heading home to roost!
Brown, looks like your chickens are heading home to roost!
04 March 2008, 09:20 PM
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No one waits more than 6 months for WHAT exactly? Treatment, resolution, referral, consultation.
Amazing how when you put spin on figures things look a lot prettier.
04 March 2008, 09:30 PM
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18 weeks from seeing your GP to be operated on. That's the standard set by the Government from April 08. Most NHS Trusts have been working towards this for the last 6 months.
As an NHS patient now you have a number of options available including going private.
Do your research, just the same as you would before you bought something like a car.
If you been reading the article in the Mail then read on a bit. "By the end of the year, no one should wait more than 18 weeks - compared to the 18-month waits which were common under the Tories."
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As an NHS patient now you have a number of options available including going private.
Do your research, just the same as you would before you bought something like a car.
If you been reading the article in the Mail then read on a bit. "By the end of the year, no one should wait more than 18 weeks - compared to the 18-month waits which were common under the Tories."
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04 March 2008, 10:25 PM
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An absolutely meaningless statistic without knowing how many more or fewer patients are now treated. To point out the mildly obvious, the NHS is a bottomless pit, and to reduce waiting times, even for the same number of ops, will take more money. If the number of ops goes up (and believe it has gone up a lot) - more money. Operations are getting more expensive - more money. Simple bandwidth problem.
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04 March 2008, 11:12 PM
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18 weeks from seeing your GP to be operated on. That's the standard set by the Government from April 08. Most NHS Trusts have been working towards this for the last 6 months.
As an NHS patient now you have a number of options available including going private.
Do your research, just the same as you would before you bought something like a car.
If you been reading the article in the Mail then read on a bit. "By the end of the year, no one should wait more than 18 weeks - compared to the 18-month waits which were common under the Tories."
Mark A
As an NHS patient now you have a number of options available including going private.
Do your research, just the same as you would before you bought something like a car.
If you been reading the article in the Mail then read on a bit. "By the end of the year, no one should wait more than 18 weeks - compared to the 18-month waits which were common under the Tories."
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Jan 08 surgery
Hmmmm, little bit longer than 18 weeks to me.
Any party can put spin on the other parties figures. The only figures you can believe are impartial ones, and they dont usually exist.
Next we will be saying unemployment has dropped, and so has crime. Along with the number of people living below the poverty line has dropped too.
A lot has changed in 11 years, and a lot of it has nothing to do with the Labour Party, so lets not all get carried away with thanking Labour for all of it.
Immigration, totally out of control.
Teen crime UP UP UP!
Social disorder, on the up
Violent crime, errm up
Social poncing.................yup, up
Steath tax theiving....... hell thats SHOT up....
Speaking of which, on behalf of the Labour Party I would like to thank SN users for their contributions to the Governments purse via fuel tax, road tax, insurance tax, new car tax, congestion charging, and all the other taxes we pay..... Thanks to you, Labour can claim THEY improved the health service.... Hell The NHS is as good as run by SN !!
04 March 2008, 11:26 PM
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It's possible that people are still having to wait a lot longer than six months. The only difference is that they are not officially put on the waiting list until the hospital can give them an appointment within a targeted number of weeks.
05 March 2008, 12:39 AM
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Under Nu Labia [In my personal opinion]
Available NHS Dentists have gone down
Hospital Waiting lists have gone up
General Strikes have gone up
Unchecked Immigration has gone up
Crime has gone up
Tax Take has gone up
MRSA has gone up
Social Cohesiveness has gone down
Crime has gone up
Pride in being English has been Demonised
Pensions have been destroyed
Industries have been waylaid
Jobs have been exported
Control has been relinquished
I could go on but I have better things to do.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee people - Labour has run its course - The pendulum is pointing to a parliament of professionals, not the prattish pigs who pick our pockets.
Roll on the General Election.
Available NHS Dentists have gone down
Hospital Waiting lists have gone up
General Strikes have gone up
Unchecked Immigration has gone up
Crime has gone up
Tax Take has gone up
MRSA has gone up
Social Cohesiveness has gone down
Crime has gone up
Pride in being English has been Demonised
Pensions have been destroyed
Industries have been waylaid
Jobs have been exported
Control has been relinquished
I could go on but I have better things to do.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee people - Labour has run its course - The pendulum is pointing to a parliament of professionals, not the prattish pigs who pick our pockets.
Roll on the General Election.
05 March 2008, 11:16 AM
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I thought that professional politicians were the ones who dont give a stuff for the people, only about themselves and their personal careers and how much cash they can screw out of the system. Who does that sound like though?
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05 March 2008, 11:25 AM
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To give the flip side - Before Labour came into power, the UK was way below the European average with regards to Health spending as a percentage of GDP. Due to massive investments, it is now around average. As a result, the NHS is unarguably a better service than it was - But, too many targets are met by bucking the system in order to please auditors, rather than actually improving care.
05 March 2008, 11:30 AM
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To give the flip side - Before Labour came into power, the UK was way below the European average with regards to Health spending as a percentage of GDP. Due to massive investments, it is now around average. As a result, the NHS is unarguably a better service than it was - But, too many targets are met by bucking the system in order to please auditors, rather than actually improving care.
The NHS will never catch up with an ageing population. Italy has 1.2 people retired/on a benefit for ever 1 person working. It's about to be similar in the UK, hence the tax(es) hike, stealth or not.
05 March 2008, 11:37 AM
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Of course things are being done with a long term view - Stakeholder pensions and such like.
05 March 2008, 11:40 AM
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Cobblers. Nobody is on any one waiting list for more than 6 months maybe, but they do move you from 1 list to another to avoid exceeding the deadlines.
05 March 2008, 11:40 AM
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Hmmm, I wonder if all the other non-news was published as a smoke screen so to avoid attention that this failure of Labour to effectively handle a problem situation that is the NHS, would hopefully go unoticed.
(Proms, 24hr drinking "success", scrapping of road charging, etc).
(Proms, 24hr drinking "success", scrapping of road charging, etc).
05 March 2008, 11:50 AM
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Hmmm, I wonder if all the other non-news was published as a smoke screen so to avoid attention that this failure of Labour to effectively handle a problem situation that is the NHS, would hopefully go unoticed.
(Proms, 24hr drinking "success", scrapping of road charging, etc).
(Proms, 24hr drinking "success", scrapping of road charging, etc).
05 March 2008, 11:51 AM
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No, I talking about argets such as the 4 hour maximum turnaround time in A&E - You can frig it by shifting patients to MAU, thus giving you another 48 hours.
Agreed, but this isn't a problem with the NHS per se - that's what comes of advances in medical care.
Of course things are being done with a long term view - Stakeholder pensions and such like.
Agreed, but this isn't a problem with the NHS per se - that's what comes of advances in medical care.
Of course things are being done with a long term view - Stakeholder pensions and such like.
05 March 2008, 11:55 AM
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No not league tables.
Hospitals face action if they fail to meet the targets set by them by the government. They have been known to shift patients around and buck the system in various ways in order to avoid showing up as a "red" when it comes to audit. Hospitals aren't listed by league tables like schools are - it's a three star system - they aren't seperated any further than that.
Hospitals face action if they fail to meet the targets set by them by the government. They have been known to shift patients around and buck the system in various ways in order to avoid showing up as a "red" when it comes to audit. Hospitals aren't listed by league tables like schools are - it's a three star system - they aren't seperated any further than that.
05 March 2008, 01:01 PM
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We are all better off than we were in 1997 .... if you are not then I respectfully suggest that you have not taken the opportunities open to you, but then thats your fault, isn't it?
We are all better off than we were in 1997 .... if you are not then I respectfully suggest that you have not taken the opportunities open to you, but then thats your fault, isn't it?
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Better off in what respect, certainly not in terms of Crime and NHS turn around times.
05 March 2008, 01:37 PM
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Crime Statistics for England and Wales - British Crime Survey: Domestic burglary
Crime Statistics for England and Wales - British Crime Survey: All crime
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The British Crime Survey has been going for decades and is an reliable measure of crime in the UK - successive government have used it to identify problem areas, and areas where policies are working.
Of course, because it currently used by a Labour government its all a massive lie.
Of course, because it currently used by a Labour government its all a massive lie.
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The Observer, Sunday February 17 2008
Scandal of patients left for hours outside A&E
· Ambulances delayed to meet targets
· Emergency care at risk, say doctors
Denis Campbell, health correspondent
Hospitals were last night accused of keeping thousands of seriously ill patients in ambulance 'holding patterns' outside accident and emergency units to meet a government pledge that all patients are treated within four hours of admission.
Those affected by 'patient stacking' include people with broken limbs or those suffering fits or breathing problems. An Observer investigation has also found that some wait for up to five hours in ambulances because A&E units have refused to admit them until they can guarantee to treat them within the time limit. Apart from the danger posed to patients, the detaining of ambulances means vehicles and trained crew are not available to answer new 999 calls because they are being kept on hospital sites.
Scandal of patients left for hours outside A&E
· Ambulances delayed to meet targets
· Emergency care at risk, say doctors
Denis Campbell, health correspondent
Hospitals were last night accused of keeping thousands of seriously ill patients in ambulance 'holding patterns' outside accident and emergency units to meet a government pledge that all patients are treated within four hours of admission.
Those affected by 'patient stacking' include people with broken limbs or those suffering fits or breathing problems. An Observer investigation has also found that some wait for up to five hours in ambulances because A&E units have refused to admit them until they can guarantee to treat them within the time limit. Apart from the danger posed to patients, the detaining of ambulances means vehicles and trained crew are not available to answer new 999 calls because they are being kept on hospital sites.