Why are schools closing today
01 February 2008, 08:30 AM
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Why are schools closing today
Heard on the radio that quite a number of schools are closing at lunchtime today, because it might snow 
Cant we british cope with the weather changes or something ?
(its ok, its a rhetorical question
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Cant we british cope with the weather changes or something ?
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01 February 2008, 08:43 AM
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It's the Heads and/or Chair of Governors who close them ...... quite a nice long weekend for the Teachers 
Pain in the 4rse for the parents who have kids to now take care of - when us normal folk would have to fight into work
But, be fair, teachers do struggle for leave
Pain in the 4rse for the parents who have kids to now take care of - when us normal folk would have to fight into work
But, be fair, teachers do struggle for leave
01 February 2008, 08:45 AM
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Its 'cos kids nowadays dont know they're born...
plus the fact that none of them have proper 'ovver coats' like we did as kids when we sat witha coat on and a snotty nose all day.
plus the fact that none of them have proper 'ovver coats' like we did as kids when we sat witha coat on and a snotty nose all day.
01 February 2008, 09:11 AM
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It's because the government fail to invest in global warming, doing their futile upmost to try and reduce world temperature 
It's because the liberal lefty government are trying to turn the next generation into wimps
The only teacher I know well is 'Mrs Abdabz To Be' who also happens to be the hardest worker I know... If her school shuts this afternoon, she will still be there till close (as will her colleagues) working away while the soft kids go go and play in the cold
It's because the liberal lefty government are trying to turn the next generation into wimps
The only teacher I know well is 'Mrs Abdabz To Be' who also happens to be the hardest worker I know... If her school shuts this afternoon, she will still be there till close (as will her colleagues) working away while the soft kids go go and play in the cold
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01 February 2008, 01:51 PM
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I guess we can't have snow falling then little Jonny going outside, it maybe a bit icy, he may fall over and hurt himself, and then sue the school. 
No chance of snow down in the South East at the moment, not a cloud in the sky!!
No chance of snow down in the South East at the moment, not a cloud in the sky!!
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< looks out window to see a proper blizzard >
Soft bloomin' UK
We're under a winter storm warning at the moment, looks like we'll be getting 20 - 25 cm of snow between now and tomorrow morning. Now that I could see schools being closed for, both here and in the UK. Difference is the UK would just go *wibble* as it can't cope with 5cm snow
Soft bloomin' UK
We're under a winter storm warning at the moment, looks like we'll be getting 20 - 25 cm of snow between now and tomorrow morning. Now that I could see schools being closed for, both here and in the UK. Difference is the UK would just go *wibble* as it can't cope with 5cm snow
06 April 2008, 12:18 AM
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There are a number of reasons, none of which are to do with teachers themselves but everything to do with the expectations society dumps on them nowadays, as the ignorant comments earlier in the thread demonstrate. Teachers are not childminders. Parents can and do expect teachers to have total control over their class's safety and security whilst at school. The principle is called 'in loco parentis' meaning in practice teachers do their utmost best for the children in their class. If half the staff at school cannot get in because of bad weather for whatever reason, you then have a situation where your child (assuming you have children) will be one of perhaps several hundred supervised by very few adults who can't be everywhere at once and certainly would have no chance of actually teaching any worthwhile lessons. Let me repeat again, teachers are not childminders. Schools also have a duty to supply hot school meals to those children who want them. This also can be a problem during bad weather. If you've ever seen how hard school catering staff have to work for the short period they have to cook and serve up dinner you'd know how this would cause big problems if a few couldn't get in. Think also of break time. Not enough staff means not enough supervision which is difficult enough within the structured setting of a classroom but in the playground? And lastly and most lamentable, is the rising tendency of British people to blame others for their own problems and seek to pin responsibility for their children on other people, even more so if there's money to be made. It only needs one parent to complain that their child slipped on the ice outside, or didn't get their lunch, or got in a fight because there was no adult supervising properly, and before you know it you've got a school being sued by a parent. That happens. Children are not pieces of paperwork that need to be shuffled, or cans that need to be filled with beans, or a quota of calls that need to be answered within an hour. They are an incredible responsiblity who must be looked after by their own parent(s) if there is any significant possibility that a school cannot do so in the normal way.
Count yourself lucky we even still have a free-of-charge education system open to all.
Count yourself lucky we even still have a free-of-charge education system open to all.
06 April 2008, 11:58 AM
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There are a number of reasons, none of which are to do with teachers themselves but everything to do with the expectations society dumps on them nowadays, as the ignorant comments earlier in the thread demonstrate. Teachers are not childminders. Parents can and do expect teachers to have total control over their class's safety and security whilst at school. The principle is called 'in loco parentis' meaning in practice teachers do their utmost best for the children in their class. If half the staff at school cannot get in because of bad weather for whatever reason, you then have a situation where your child (assuming you have children) will be one of perhaps several hundred supervised by very few adults who can't be everywhere at once and certainly would have no chance of actually teaching any worthwhile lessons. Let me repeat again, teachers are not childminders. Schools also have a duty to supply hot school meals to those children who want them. This also can be a problem during bad weather. If you've ever seen how hard school catering staff have to work for the short period they have to cook and serve up dinner you'd know how this would cause big problems if a few couldn't get in. Think also of break time. Not enough staff means not enough supervision which is difficult enough within the structured setting of a classroom but in the playground? And lastly and most lamentable, is the rising tendency of British people to blame others for their own problems and seek to pin responsibility for their children on other people, even more so if there's money to be made. It only needs one parent to complain that their child slipped on the ice outside, or didn't get their lunch, or got in a fight because there was no adult supervising properly, and before you know it you've got a school being sued by a parent. That happens. Children are not pieces of paperwork that need to be shuffled, or cans that need to be filled with beans, or a quota of calls that need to be answered within an hour. They are an incredible responsiblity who must be looked after by their own parent(s) if there is any significant possibility that a school cannot do so in the normal way.
Count yourself lucky we even still have a free-of-charge education system open to all.
Count yourself lucky we even still have a free-of-charge education system open to all.
We do pay for the education system, it is not free we pay taxes ans council taxes towards it wether we want to or not, even if you send you kids private you still pay the state as well, hardly fair is it.
Teacher training days - why can't they be during school hols, kids take two weeks off (Easter) then an additional day for training - cost to us - a extra days holiday (assuming we can get the time off) or 45.00 for a child minder.
Not blaming the teachers but this is real unfair as a parent and someone who gets just 20-25 days holiday and works some 45+ hours a week.
As a parent i accept responsibilty for having kids and for educating and bringing them up properly and with a good set of values/right from wrong, please do not tar all parents with the same brush!
06 April 2008, 12:06 PM
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it seams to me, that the one teachers who do any work, are student teachers!!
as they have to do both teaching work + the uni course stuff as well
my G/F is training up at the moment (nearly finished) and she is having a bit of a rough ride getting swapped backwards and forwards around different schools, throwing all her pre planned lesson plans and stuff out the window, while the regular teachers just get to cream it with **** all to do (read from this book, answer these questions!)
at the moment i`m struggling to play games on my pc as shes always on doing fecken prep work for lessons
its killing me
not to mention the vast amount of printer carts we now use LOL
as they have to do both teaching work + the uni course stuff as well
my G/F is training up at the moment (nearly finished) and she is having a bit of a rough ride getting swapped backwards and forwards around different schools, throwing all her pre planned lesson plans and stuff out the window, while the regular teachers just get to cream it with **** all to do (read from this book, answer these questions!)
at the moment i`m struggling to play games on my pc as shes always on doing fecken prep work for lessons
its killing me
not to mention the vast amount of printer carts we now use LOL
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Our school or should I say zoo is ridiculous here.
Elec went off one afternoon, after 30 minutes they were panicking and phoning all the parents to come and collect their kids did they have no incentive to get them all in the hall doing P.E or something, they only had like a hour max before school was finished for the day anyways!
The headteacher is as much use as a chocolate fireguard
and the rest of the teachers don't like going to work because of her as she makes everyones lives a misery, no wonder the kids are the way they are, can't blame the kids at the end of the day as I've seen how the school is run, it's comical sometimes but at the end of the day look at what the kids education is going to be like because the school is a mess.
In my daughters class (age 4-5 years old) the kids are coming to school asking other kids if they see their mam and dad having sex
so they obviously see it going on, I'm thinking of starting to put a condom in my little ones bag as she is coming home telling me all about it 
and she even tells me who goes round speaking about it, tackle the headteacher about it and she doesn't want to know, so she has her priorities right then, get in a flap when the electric goes off but when kids are bringing that and bad language to school she shrugs it off
Elec went off one afternoon, after 30 minutes they were panicking and phoning all the parents to come and collect their kids
did they have no incentive to get them all in the hall doing P.E or something, they only had like a hour max before school was finished for the day anyways!The headteacher is as much use as a chocolate fireguard
and the rest of the teachers don't like going to work because of her as she makes everyones lives a misery, no wonder the kids are the way they are, can't blame the kids at the end of the day as I've seen how the school is run, it's comical sometimes but at the end of the day look at what the kids education is going to be like because the school is a mess.In my daughters class (age 4-5 years old) the kids are coming to school asking other kids if they see their mam and dad having sex
so they obviously see it going on, I'm thinking of starting to put a condom in my little ones bag as she is coming home telling me all about it and she even tells me who goes round speaking about it, tackle the headteacher about it and she doesn't want to know, so she has her priorities right then, get in a flap when the electric goes off but when kids are bringing that and bad language to school she shrugs it off
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Our school or should I say zoo is ridiculous here.
Elec went off one afternoon, after 30 minutes they were panicking and phoning all the parents to come and collect their kids did they have no incentive to get them all in the hall doing P.E or something, they only had like a hour max before school was finished for the day anyways!
The headteacher is as much use as a chocolate fireguard and the rest of the teachers don't like going to work because of her as she makes everyones lives a misery, no wonder the kids are the way they are, can't blame the kids at the end of the day as I've seen how the school is run, it's comical sometimes but at the end of the day look at what the kids education is going to be like because the school is a mess.
In my daughters class (age 4-5 years old) the kids are coming to school asking other kids if they see their mam and dad having sex so they obviously see it going on, I'm thinking of starting to put a condom in my little ones bag as she is coming home telling me all about it and she even tells me who goes round speaking about it, tackle the headteacher about it and she doesn't want to know, so she has her priorities right then, get in a flap when the electric goes off but when kids are bringing that and bad language to school she shrugs it off
Elec went off one afternoon, after 30 minutes they were panicking and phoning all the parents to come and collect their kids
did they have no incentive to get them all in the hall doing P.E or something, they only had like a hour max before school was finished for the day anyways!The headteacher is as much use as a chocolate fireguard
and the rest of the teachers don't like going to work because of her as she makes everyones lives a misery, no wonder the kids are the way they are, can't blame the kids at the end of the day as I've seen how the school is run, it's comical sometimes but at the end of the day look at what the kids education is going to be like because the school is a mess.In my daughters class (age 4-5 years old) the kids are coming to school asking other kids if they see their mam and dad having sex
so they obviously see it going on, I'm thinking of starting to put a condom in my little ones bag as she is coming home telling me all about it and she even tells me who goes round speaking about it, tackle the headteacher about it and she doesn't want to know, so she has her priorities right then, get in a flap when the electric goes off but when kids are bringing that and bad language to school she shrugs it off My daughters school is superb, she is 5 and enjoys it no end, teachers are great, head is enthusiastic and a decent chap and we are forever getting emails telling us what is going on and in some cases if we would like to help/contribute time/materials. She was being bullied, they put a stop to this immediately.
07 April 2008, 01:01 PM
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Wow, there really is some ignorant bull**** in this thread.
If only people really knew how teaching works, its laughable and I'm amazed anyone actually chooses to do it. Imagine no teachers and no education system, then the parents would have something to whinge about (and I'm a parent myself).
If only people really knew how teaching works, its laughable and I'm amazed anyone actually chooses to do it. Imagine no teachers and no education system, then the parents would have something to whinge about (and I'm a parent myself).
07 April 2008, 01:13 PM
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Wow, there really is some ignorant bull**** in this thread.
If only people really knew how teaching works, its laughable and I'm amazed anyone actually chooses to do it. Imagine no teachers and no education system, then the parents would have something to whinge about (and I'm a parent myself).
If only people really knew how teaching works, its laughable and I'm amazed anyone actually chooses to do it. Imagine no teachers and no education system, then the parents would have something to whinge about (and I'm a parent myself).
07 April 2008, 03:11 PM
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That's the first sensible post i've seen on here so far! 
So many people have so little clue! The post about the headteacher getting her priorities wrong especially made me laugh. Personally I think no electricity is far more of a concern than two kids talking about sex in the playground! I also find it funny that they were talking about something that they had seen at home yet somehow it's the teacher's fault, not the parents' who had been putting on the 'show' in question!
So many people have so little clue! The post about the headteacher getting her priorities wrong especially made me laugh. Personally I think no electricity is far more of a concern than two kids talking about sex in the playground! I also find it funny that they were talking about something that they had seen at home yet somehow it's the teacher's fault, not the parents' who had been putting on the 'show' in question!
07 April 2008, 04:23 PM
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That's the first sensible post i've seen on here so far!
So many people have so little clue! The post about the headteacher getting her priorities wrong especially made me laugh. Personally I think no electricity is far more of a concern than two kids talking about sex in the playground! I also find it funny that they were talking about something that they had seen at home yet somehow it's the teacher's fault, not the parents' who had been putting on the 'show' in question!
So many people have so little clue! The post about the headteacher getting her priorities wrong especially made me laugh. Personally I think no electricity is far more of a concern than two kids talking about sex in the playground! I also find it funny that they were talking about something that they had seen at home yet somehow it's the teacher's fault, not the parents' who had been putting on the 'show' in question!
In the current climate if a child is legitimately disciplined, the parents take it as a personal insult and fly into school to "defend" their little "angels"
When I was at school if I got into trouble with a teacher then my parents would support the teacher in giving me a right bollocking, which ensured I didn't do the same thing again. My wife works in a school in a fairly rough area and I have told her to phone me if required as she often gets big fat tattooed dads threatening them.
I could go on for years about how ridiculous the teaching system is and the ins and outs of it, but people will only see/hear what they want. As for someone saying that student teachers do more than teachers, ha, wait till they are an NQT and see what happens!!
On to holidays, they get decent time off, but the stupid gov't are trying to standardise it which means all teachers and parents/children will be on holiday AT THE SAME TIME - don't forget some teachers are also parents.
Not only does that mean everywhere is busy, it also means we pay double for holidays, and any sort of long weekend is out of the question in term time, I even have to miss a friends wedding soon cos its on a Friday.
The whole system is flawed thanks to Labour, I would love to see anyone on here go and teach for a month or two, I know I couldn't do it at all without having to lamp a parent in the first week.
07 April 2008, 04:39 PM
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Precisely, as long as their is idiot parents that can't bring up their children properly, and will do anything BUT support teachers decisions there will be children that cant behave properly, and that isn't aimed at anyone in this thread, it is from living with a primary deputy head and seeing first hand what happens, and the sort of idiotic parents that are alive today.
In the current climate if a child is legitimately disciplined, the parents take it as a personal insult and fly into school to "defend" their little "angels" When I was at school if I got into trouble with a teacher then my parents would support the teacher in giving me a right bollocking, which ensured I didn't do the same thing again.
My wife works in a school in a fairly rough area and I have told her to phone me if required as she often gets big fat tattooed dads threatening them.
I could go on for years about how ridiculous the teaching system is and the ins and outs of it, but people will only see/hear what they want. As for someone saying that student teachers do more than teachers, ha, wait till they are an NQT and see what happens!!
On to holidays, they get decent time off, but the stupid gov't are trying to standardise it which means all teachers and parents/children will be on holiday AT THE SAME TIME - don't forget some teachers are also parents.
Not only does that mean everywhere is busy, it also means we pay double for holidays, and any sort of long weekend is out of the question in term time, I even have to miss a friends wedding soon cos its on a Friday.
The whole system is flawed thanks to Labour, I would love to see anyone on here go and teach for a month or two, I know I couldn't do it at all without having to lamp a parent in the first week.
In the current climate if a child is legitimately disciplined, the parents take it as a personal insult and fly into school to "defend" their little "angels"
When I was at school if I got into trouble with a teacher then my parents would support the teacher in giving me a right bollocking, which ensured I didn't do the same thing again. My wife works in a school in a fairly rough area and I have told her to phone me if required as she often gets big fat tattooed dads threatening them.
I could go on for years about how ridiculous the teaching system is and the ins and outs of it, but people will only see/hear what they want. As for someone saying that student teachers do more than teachers, ha, wait till they are an NQT and see what happens!!
On to holidays, they get decent time off, but the stupid gov't are trying to standardise it which means all teachers and parents/children will be on holiday AT THE SAME TIME - don't forget some teachers are also parents.
Not only does that mean everywhere is busy, it also means we pay double for holidays, and any sort of long weekend is out of the question in term time, I even have to miss a friends wedding soon cos its on a Friday.
The whole system is flawed thanks to Labour, I would love to see anyone on here go and teach for a month or two, I know I couldn't do it at all without having to lamp a parent in the first week.
We take an active interest and involvement in our daughters education. If she is disciplined then i would want to know both sides of the story to form an opinion.
NL have made it almost impossible to discipline or remove disruptive kids due to their inability to do anything other than sticking plaster solutions by leftie PC fools!
Not all parents are bad/disinterested/**** parents, the ones that are tend to have badly behaved kids, these should be targeted to make better parents and how to bring up their.
It all begins at home although teachers like the rest of society have a part to play - an important part.
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I really do wish it was as easy as people make out! Mind you, if it was then i'm sure there wouldn't be a shortage of teachers now would there?
Regarding the holidays, over Easter I had nine days exta off than a mate. Over those nine days I had 60 pieces of GCSE coursework to mark, each of which took on average 40 minutes, plus then I had a few days of A-Level coursework to mark too!
Those who don't teach don't have a clue and it's easy to criticise something you know nothing about. I really do wish it was as simple as some people make out.
I MUST stop getting drawn into these threads!
Regarding the holidays, over Easter I had nine days exta off than a mate. Over those nine days I had 60 pieces of GCSE coursework to mark, each of which took on average 40 minutes, plus then I had a few days of A-Level coursework to mark too!
Those who don't teach don't have a clue and it's easy to criticise something you know nothing about. I really do wish it was as simple as some people make out.
I MUST stop getting drawn into these threads!
07 April 2008, 09:39 PM
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Cannot disagree with a lot of that other than lumping all parents in together.
We take an active interest and involvement in our daughters education. If she is disciplined then i would want to know both sides of the story to form an opinion.
NL have made it almost impossible to discipline or remove disruptive kids due to their inability to do anything other than sticking plaster solutions by leftie PC fools!
Not all parents are bad/disinterested/**** parents, the ones that are tend to have badly behaved kids, these should be targeted to make better parents and how to bring up their.
It all begins at home although teachers like the rest of society have a part to play - an important part.
We take an active interest and involvement in our daughters education. If she is disciplined then i would want to know both sides of the story to form an opinion.
NL have made it almost impossible to discipline or remove disruptive kids due to their inability to do anything other than sticking plaster solutions by leftie PC fools!
Not all parents are bad/disinterested/**** parents, the ones that are tend to have badly behaved kids, these should be targeted to make better parents and how to bring up their.
It all begins at home although teachers like the rest of society have a part to play - an important part.
Just to add, my wife deals with parents that are excellent, much like I imagine you and your mrs are, so its not ALL parents.
Teachers have a huge part to play, but they are not allowed to play that part properly thanks to the namby pamby gov't, and the "I deserve everything" parents/children that exist.
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Precisely, as long as their is idiot parents that can't bring up their children properly, and will do anything BUT support teachers decisions there will be children that cant behave properly,
In the current climate if a child is legitimately disciplined, the parents take it as a personal insult and fly into school to "defend" their little "angels"
In the current climate if a child is legitimately disciplined, the parents take it as a personal insult and fly into school to "defend" their little "angels"
Especially when this child is diagnosed as Autistic and the school refuse to believe there is anything wrong with him other than being naughty
I started this thread a while ago, because I was surprised at just how many schools had decided to close because it 'MIGHT' snow, not because it had snowed and was blizzard snow that all transport had ground to a halt, but that it might snow.
I work in a lot of different schools so I do get to meet and speak to a lot of teachers during the week, and on occasion I do speak to them about how they deal with certain things in their shool to see how things compare to the school the kids go to
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I can't wite everything down that happens at this school as it would take all day, my previous point was just an example, maybes I should have said the kid in question who talks about this is quite 'violent' for her age, she cut my daughter under the eye with a pair of scissors, when the issue was raised the headteacher came across as though she would have been bothered if the scissors had actually taken her eye out but because that hadn't happened then it was dismissed, the same girl has stabbed another kid in the neck with a pencil, constantly hits and slaps others, but her parents are never hauled in about any of it so when the victims parent goes in the headteacher doesn't like hearing what has went on but will instead find something about your child to fire at you, for example mine had apparently shouted out in class instead of sitting waiting with her hand up she's 5 for crying out loud 
I will be changing schools as soon as I can find a decent one round here, it isn't just me who has these problems, I don't think there's one parent happy with what goes on and a few actually dread home time, we have been in touch with our local authority who told us to write a complaint letter to them with all the signatures on and they would deal with it.
Just another thing, is it compulsory to have a headteacher AND a deputy head, or can there just be a headteacher and no deputy head?
she's 5 for crying out loud I will be changing schools as soon as I can find a decent one round here, it isn't just me who has these problems, I don't think there's one parent happy with what goes on and a few actually dread home time, we have been in touch with our local authority who told us to write a complaint letter to them with all the signatures on and they would deal with it.
Just another thing, is it compulsory to have a headteacher AND a deputy head, or can there just be a headteacher and no deputy head?