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Old 15 December 2007, 11:48 PM
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Default Street wars. £80 fine for a) criminal damage/violence b) peeing in the street

Yeah, you guessed it. £80 for getting caught short. I'm not saying that you should not be fined for that. Peeing in public is not a nice sight.

However, in the same show they have these coppers arresting people for violence and criminal damage. They get released the next day either entirely without charge, or with a caution.

I don't get why the penalties don't fit the crime
Old 15 December 2007, 11:56 PM
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Those that get released without any penalty is down to no one willing to make a statement or lack of evidence.

The £80 for peeing is backed up by the officer seeing it, threfore having the evidence to issue the fine.
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It makes a mockery of the system when someone stealing a car gets a caution and someone having a pee gets a fine and a record. If the peeeeeeer (sp) could be arsed to take it to the Eu court of human rights I'm sure they would get it overturned. Problem is, as a generally law abiding citizen, they will take the punishment and stay quiet
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But in London there are open urinals on the street, really hate that idea
Old 16 December 2007, 12:03 AM
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But in London there are open urinals on the street, really hate that idea
really? Not seen any of those. Must be a bit strange to use one of those.
Old 16 December 2007, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
Those that get released without any penalty is down to no one willing to make a statement or lack of evidence.

The £80 for peeing is backed up by the officer seeing it, threfore having the evidence to issue the fine.
It was all caught on CCTV, and some of it was against the officers in question.

Just a total waste of police time if you are going to complain about criminal damage, have the police find those responsible, arrest them, but then not actually give a statement so they can do anything. Total madness.

Rules should change. If CCTV shows some chap breaking stuff just fine them there and then.
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yep, just what you want walking down the road, with your girlfriend, then four pi$$ed up idiots start waving their **** about in front of us.
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Originally Posted by Luminous

I don't get why the penalties don't fit the crime
Probably because the government don't want even more overcrowding in prisons as most of the crims should be inside IMO.
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Originally Posted by cookstar
yep, just what you want walking down the road, with your girlfriend, then four pi$$ed up idiots start waving their **** about in front of us.

Would you rather they had a **** or wrecked your car?
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Originally Posted by fast bloke
Would you rather they had a **** or wrecked your car?

I would rather they did what I do and go before they leave the pub/club.
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Originally Posted by cookstar
I would rather they did what I do and go before they leave the pub/club.
Have you never had a **** that wasn't in the bog?
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Originally Posted by fast bloke
Have you never had a **** that wasn't in the bog?
Of course I have, BUT I try to avoid doing so. Also if and when I have I havent waved my ***** around in front of passers by. I'm sure you would have been just as pi$$ed off as me if they had done it in front of your wife/girlfriend/mum/daughter etc also
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Originally Posted by Luminous
It was all caught on CCTV, and some of it was against the officers in question.

Just a total waste of police time if you are going to complain about criminal damage, have the police find those responsible, arrest them, but then not actually give a statement so they can do anything. Total madness.

Rules should change. If CCTV shows some chap breaking stuff just fine them there and then.
CCTV means nothing if no one is willing to back it up with a statement.

And, if an officer is hurt, the CPS often don't prosecute as 'officers should expect to be hurt' and are not classed as victims the same way normal people are.

Sad but true.
Old 16 December 2007, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by fast bloke
It makes a mockery of the system when someone stealing a car gets a caution and someone having a pee gets a fine and a record. If the peeeeeeer (sp) could be arsed to take it to the Eu court of human rights I'm sure they would get it overturned. Problem is, as a generally law abiding citizen, they will take the punishment and stay quiet
No record for getting a ticket for peeing..........

The option of accepting fine keeps the person out of court.

The tickets are actually a good idea this government have come up with as they keep people out of court.

The £80 tickets apply to shoplifters, giving 1st offenders a chance and stopping them from getting a record that could ruin their lives.
Old 16 December 2007, 11:53 AM
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I seem to remember that the law stated that a man driving a horse and cart or leading a horse was entitled to have a pee on the roadside in order to ensure he was able to keep full control without the distraction of needing a pee.

I wonder if they have repealed that law or does it still apply to any driver of a vehicle.

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That was for taxi drivers, I think.
Old 16 December 2007, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cookstar
Of course I have, BUT I try to avoid doing so. Also if and when I have I havent waved my ***** around in front of passers by. I'm sure you would have been just as pi$$ed off as me if they had done it in front of your wife/girlfriend/mum/daughter etc also

Now here's a question.

Why is it offensive to wave your *** about in public, but I've yet to meet a bloke who would be offended seeing a woman's "bits"?

Alcazar
Old 16 December 2007, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Now here's a question.

Why is it offensive to wave your *** about in public, but I've yet to meet a bloke who would be offended seeing a woman's "bits"?

Alcazar

lol funny you should mention that....

While working in a CCTV control room, 3 young ladies were seen walking down Bromley high st, playing up to the cameras. When they got to the Ann SUmmers shop (ironic or what) they turned their backs to the camera. A few moments later, all 3 dropped their jeans and knickers, and bent right over... all caught on camera.
TSG were in the control room at the time, and requested the unit wait at the bottom of the high st..........

When stopped, a few choice words and they were on their way.......
3 off duty WPC's from the local nick
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