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30 October 2007, 03:29 PM
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Prison Story - Pistonheads
Maybe SIAL but worth a read if you've got a while:
Prison?
The thread starts off poorly until a poster 10 Pence Short reccounts his experience of an accident with a biker while out with a group of car enthusiasts.
Some of the reply comments are childish, but the thread as a whole gives plenty to think about.
Prison?
The thread starts off poorly until a poster 10 Pence Short reccounts his experience of an accident with a biker while out with a group of car enthusiasts.
Some of the reply comments are childish, but the thread as a whole gives plenty to think about.
30 October 2007, 03:41 PM
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blimey..... wish i read this before i went out for a rag about earlier!!!!
sobering stuff and top marks for 10PS for sharing it will all.
sobering stuff and top marks for 10PS for sharing it will all.
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30 October 2007, 04:41 PM
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It's a very well written piece and it is sobering, because like many people on here, I had the odd blast in my scooby on backroads (although I never went sideways round bends) and like him, I never stopped to think that my selfish illegal driving could cause such misery to an innocent human being in a heartbeat. 
It's a harsh reminder to the over exhuberant who "enjoy" country lanes to play on the track and behave on the road.
Hats off to 10ps for sharing his story, it might just save a life
It's a harsh reminder to the over exhuberant who "enjoy" country lanes to play on the track and behave on the road.
Hats off to 10ps for sharing his story, it might just save a life
30 October 2007, 05:05 PM
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about a year ago one of my friends was driving to work to pick some stuff up,a road driven every day for 6 years,lost the back end of his car on a bend off a roundabout,spilled diesel we later found out,i was in the front passenger seat everything went so quickly,all i saw was a silver corsa out my window window before the car snapped back and ended up in a hedge,how we never hit the corsa i dont know and i thought god we were lucky.About 30 mins later police were there and taking statements,mate in the back of their car etc and i noticed a crowd of people had gathered,rubberneckers i thought,then a bus appeared and they all got on.When the car was towed out of the hedge thats when it dawned on me there was a bus stop at that point we hit,it was now under the car.If we had waited another half hour to go to his work,we would have hit those people no doubt about it.that one act woke me up and changed the way i think when i drive MY car
30 October 2007, 05:10 PM
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Very sobering posts from the chap. I've had a few moments now and then, and thankfully they ended in nothing more than my own tyre rubber being left on the tarmac and a thought of "Oh ****, that was close" in my head, and I'd think that others on here have experienced the same.
It is also good to see some mature comments and questions from others (along with the, to be expected, morons posting their usual tripe) about what happened and the experience of being inside.
We like to think we would be able to deal with a bit of bird, but I think the reality is that we'd feel exactly the same as this chap, if not worse.
It's cliched, but you never know what you have until it's taken away from you.
The only upside, if one can call it that, is that the biker wasn't killed. Severely injuring another person is one thing, but if he had died then that is a whole other level of guilt/remorse to deal with.
It is also good to see some mature comments and questions from others (along with the, to be expected, morons posting their usual tripe) about what happened and the experience of being inside.
We like to think we would be able to deal with a bit of bird, but I think the reality is that we'd feel exactly the same as this chap, if not worse.
It's cliched, but you never know what you have until it's taken away from you.
The only upside, if one can call it that, is that the biker wasn't killed. Severely injuring another person is one thing, but if he had died then that is a whole other level of guilt/remorse to deal with.
30 October 2007, 05:12 PM
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Very sobering particularly as its written so well and hopefully will make others, as it has with me, think carefully about how, why and where we use the performance of our cars. Certainly a hell of a lot more valid than scameras or other revenue generators for enforcing the message.
30 October 2007, 10:18 PM
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I meant to mention this last week when I saw it. He has a riveting writing style. The two accounts of what happened on that day differ wildly. One account is just out for a drive, the other talks of total recklessness.
No sentence can ever undo the damage that has been done. It will have taken a lot to post about that on the net. Hopefully both parties manage to make something of the rest of their lives.
No sentence can ever undo the damage that has been done. It will have taken a lot to post about that on the net. Hopefully both parties manage to make something of the rest of their lives.
31 October 2007, 01:09 AM
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Been reading this via the 205 forum this week - has it made anyone else question their car ownership and driving styles?
I drive like an old woman these days as I have "the fear", but that story just makes me want to forget about cars, modding, meets/runs out etc and focus on family life etc - I've even been looking at Lexus's today as a comfy cruising machine that would slow me down on any B roads.
I haven't lost or "almost lost" a car on the roads since I was 17/18 and new to driving, but you do get the odd moments on wet/diesel soaked roads if your lose concentration for a split second.
At the weekend I was almost killed along with my wife and 7 month old son when a ******** young lad in a new Fiesta ST lost it at 70mph plus on a bad bend near my house (Britains most dangerous road apparently), and manage to slide sideways behind us and down a side road - he missed us by feet and a thick oak tree by about 10 inches - lucky to be alive, and if we had left the house 2 seconds later I would be dead now.
I drive like an old woman these days as I have "the fear", but that story just makes me want to forget about cars, modding, meets/runs out etc and focus on family life etc - I've even been looking at Lexus's today as a comfy cruising machine that would slow me down on any B roads.
I haven't lost or "almost lost" a car on the roads since I was 17/18 and new to driving, but you do get the odd moments on wet/diesel soaked roads if your lose concentration for a split second.
At the weekend I was almost killed along with my wife and 7 month old son when a ******** young lad in a new Fiesta ST lost it at 70mph plus on a bad bend near my house (Britains most dangerous road apparently), and manage to slide sideways behind us and down a side road - he missed us by feet and a thick oak tree by about 10 inches - lucky to be alive, and if we had left the house 2 seconds later I would be dead now.
31 October 2007, 01:42 AM
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I agree it is a very, very sobering thread but I admit I am surprised he went to jail.
This guy had had an accident and was stationary, albeit blocking the road.
The motorcyclist then drove into the stationary car after coming too fast around a blind bend and was unable to stop. Indeed the motorcyclist was going so fast he was thrown a very considerable distance which thus contributed significantly to his own injuries. The car driver was not to blame for that element.
A good defence lawyer should have been able to keep the car driver out of prison with a £300-£500 fine and 6 to 9 penalty points for driving without due care and if I had been in the car driver's shoes, I would have defended the case very strongly indeed, going to appeal if a jail sentence was handed out.
Notwithstanding that, it remains a very sobering read for anyone who hoons their motor and I will forward it to my car-driving sons who probably go a just a bit too fast for their own good.
This guy had had an accident and was stationary, albeit blocking the road.
The motorcyclist then drove into the stationary car after coming too fast around a blind bend and was unable to stop. Indeed the motorcyclist was going so fast he was thrown a very considerable distance which thus contributed significantly to his own injuries. The car driver was not to blame for that element.
A good defence lawyer should have been able to keep the car driver out of prison with a £300-£500 fine and 6 to 9 penalty points for driving without due care and if I had been in the car driver's shoes, I would have defended the case very strongly indeed, going to appeal if a jail sentence was handed out.
Notwithstanding that, it remains a very sobering read for anyone who hoons their motor and I will forward it to my car-driving sons who probably go a just a bit too fast for their own good.
31 October 2007, 09:29 AM
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I agree it is a very, very sobering thread but I admit I am surprised he went to jail.
This guy had had an accident and was stationary, albeit blocking the road.
The motorcyclist then drove into the stationary car after coming too fast around a blind bend and was unable to stop. Indeed the motorcyclist was going so fast he was thrown a very considerable distance which thus contributed significantly to his own injuries. The car driver was not to blame for that element.
A good defence lawyer should have been able to keep the car driver out of prison with a £300-£500 fine and 6 to 9 penalty points for driving without due care and if I had been in the car driver's shoes, I would have defended the case very strongly indeed, going to appeal if a jail sentence was handed out.
Notwithstanding that, it remains a very sobering read for anyone who hoons their motor and I will forward it to my car-driving sons who probably go a just a bit too fast for their own good.
This guy had had an accident and was stationary, albeit blocking the road.
The motorcyclist then drove into the stationary car after coming too fast around a blind bend and was unable to stop. Indeed the motorcyclist was going so fast he was thrown a very considerable distance which thus contributed significantly to his own injuries. The car driver was not to blame for that element.
A good defence lawyer should have been able to keep the car driver out of prison with a £300-£500 fine and 6 to 9 penalty points for driving without due care and if I had been in the car driver's shoes, I would have defended the case very strongly indeed, going to appeal if a jail sentence was handed out.
Notwithstanding that, it remains a very sobering read for anyone who hoons their motor and I will forward it to my car-driving sons who probably go a just a bit too fast for their own good.
Have you read all the comments made by the person who went to jail?
His car was not stationary, it was still moving on the wrong side of the road on a blind bend, your above points have been argued and discussed on that thread
As the person himself said, he was driving in a manner that was classed as dangerous, as he himself went into the corner to fast for the road and lost control and as a direct result caused the accident, the other evidence against him was all of his posts made on a car forum too which went against him
31 October 2007, 09:29 AM
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The most alarming part about the story is that it was as much the perception about his driving that was his undoing in court as the actual accident. This was because he overtook people and was part of a small convoy of other Type R drivers and the people he over took were called as witnesses.
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31 October 2007, 09:55 AM
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The most alarming part about the story is that it was as much the perception about his driving that was his undoing in court as the actual accident. This was because he overtook people and was part of a small convoy of other Type R drivers and the people he over took were called as witnesses.
31 October 2007, 10:03 AM
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31 October 2007, 10:13 AM
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They also used statements from the enthusiast website he posted on.
Unfortunately for him, most of his comments depicted him as a boy racer.
Further damning evidence which made defending the case much more difficult.
If any of you are in a similar situation and they came on here to see you'd driven at 150 on a private runway or wasted this or that car - You could well end up the same way!!
Several lessons to be learnt from that story.
Unfortunately for him, most of his comments depicted him as a boy racer.
Further damning evidence which made defending the case much more difficult.
If any of you are in a similar situation and they came on here to see you'd driven at 150 on a private runway or wasted this or that car - You could well end up the same way!!
Several lessons to be learnt from that story.
31 October 2007, 10:34 AM
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31 October 2007, 11:26 AM
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This what I will tell my daughter when she starts to drive
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Accidents happen whenever man interacts with moving machinery of any type, they always will FACT.
Most but not all accidents are avoidable. It’s the people that drive cars that make mistakes not cars.
Never say never - we are all capable of having an accident.
Cars can be great fun but be very considered about your actions.
Ignore what the pressures of modern society tells you to do - focus on developing your ability and attitude behind the wheel don’t focus on what the car does.
It only takes a second to f-uk it up totally for life
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It is obvious to most of us that the personal stories in that thread would be a far more effective way to get people to consider their actions and bring down road death...not littering the country with revenue collection devices..
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Accidents happen whenever man interacts with moving machinery of any type, they always will FACT.
Most but not all accidents are avoidable. It’s the people that drive cars that make mistakes not cars.
Never say never - we are all capable of having an accident.
Cars can be great fun but be very considered about your actions.
Ignore what the pressures of modern society tells you to do - focus on developing your ability and attitude behind the wheel don’t focus on what the car does.
It only takes a second to f-uk it up totally for life
___________________________
It is obvious to most of us that the personal stories in that thread would be a far more effective way to get people to consider their actions and bring down road death...not littering the country with revenue collection devices..