Pilot sacked - seems harsh...
08 October 2007, 09:33 PM
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Pilot sacked - seems harsh...
BBC NEWS | England | Coventry/Warwickshire | Pilot sacked after Savage visit
I was once taken up to the cockpit of a Virgin Atlantic flight to Toronto. I was absolutely terrified of flying at the time, but the experience really helped me. I was also invited back up there for landing and the pilot explained everything that was going on, all the little noises and all the safety systems etc.
Such a big shame it can't happen these days.
In this case it was a private charter and everyone on the plane knew each other etc. All seems a bit harsh to me.
I was once taken up to the cockpit of a Virgin Atlantic flight to Toronto. I was absolutely terrified of flying at the time, but the experience really helped me. I was also invited back up there for landing and the pilot explained everything that was going on, all the little noises and all the safety systems etc.
Such a big shame it can't happen these days.
In this case it was a private charter and everyone on the plane knew each other etc. All seems a bit harsh to me.
08 October 2007, 09:41 PM
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MYT are sying "rules is rules", which is a fair point. However, I hardly think Robbie Savage is a secret Islamic terrorist. Or terrorist of an sort.
Seems to me that a word in his ear should have sorted this out. Damn shame.
Seems to me that a word in his ear should have sorted this out. Damn shame.
08 October 2007, 10:23 PM
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Despite finding out via the media channels I despise, I have to voice my displeasure at the sacking of Pablo Mason.
Rules are there for a reason, but when the flight is a private charter and the occupants are all known to each other, the circumstances dictate the chances of letting one of them (especially a well known sportsman) onto the flight deck poses a minimal risk.
You've made the wrong decision, one that disgraces your organisation and your reputation. As a result, it'll be a cold day in hell before I set foot on one of your aircraft again and you can shove all your other services up your **** as well.
Yours,
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Rules are there for a reason, but when the flight is a private charter and the occupants are all known to each other, the circumstances dictate the chances of letting one of them (especially a well known sportsman) onto the flight deck poses a minimal risk.
You've made the wrong decision, one that disgraces your organisation and your reputation. As a result, it'll be a cold day in hell before I set foot on one of your aircraft again and you can shove all your other services up your **** as well.
Yours,
astraboy
08 October 2007, 10:38 PM
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He was the Captain on a MyTravel flight to Barcelona I was on a few years back. He was very memorable as he personally greeted everybody onto the Airbus jet when we boarded and was very amusing over the intercom too. He came across as a thorough professional but one who calls a spade a spade. I bet he rubbed a few people up the wrong way and this was their excuse to stick the knife in.
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08 October 2007, 11:46 PM
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Dash and Blast it!! Well I'd like to say how ruddy rude and downright rotten you lot are for sacking that flying chap type fellow. He's obviously a proper corker and would be welcome at my bash any year. I only hope that when flying his next sortie, he bloody well drops his clogs all over your gaff, eh, what?
Your in a right old state,
Major Lee Upmigh-Ownass.
Sorted.
Your in a right old state,
Major Lee Upmigh-Ownass.
Sorted.
09 October 2007, 10:02 AM
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lozgti, we wouldn't have all this anti-terrorism bollox if those fcukwitted, arrogant, self-obsessed w@nkers on the other side of the Atlantic had listened to just one of the many warnings they had received concerning the non-existent security measures for domestic flights
09 October 2007, 10:22 AM
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I used to work for MYT and went into the cockpit on flights a few times - PC wasn't so stupid back then so it was no issue. 
No common sense anymore, everything just gets blanketed.
No common sense anymore, everything just gets blanketed.
09 October 2007, 11:22 AM
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This flight was such that everyone was known to the crew and there was no danger of being hijacked etc. We used to have passengers up on the flight deck all the time in the VC10 and we were in the same position as that captain was in that we knew we were not carrying anyone who was likely to be a problem. It is a great help to someone if thay are a bit nervous of flying to be shown the flight deck too.
This is a typical example of a man with a distinguished career being thrown out by some creepy prat who is probably trying to demonstrate how powerful he is and in fact demonstrating how far his head is up his own ****!
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09 October 2007, 11:30 AM
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Where's that Obituary of Common Sense?
09 October 2007, 11:34 AM
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I remember being a pasenger in a tourist trip to an out of town gold mine in South Africa. I aked if I could go "up front" and was cordially invited to the front and offered a seat. Fantastic views but I do remember the pilot saying casually "Do you fly?"
To this day I lightheartedly wonder what would have happened if I had said "Yes"
To this day I lightheartedly wonder what would have happened if I had said "Yes"
09 October 2007, 12:59 PM
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BBC NEWS | England | Coventry/Warwickshire | Pilot sacked after Savage visit
I was once taken up to the cockpit of a Virgin Atlantic flight to Toronto. I was absolutely terrified of flying at the time, but the experience really helped me. I was also invited back up there for landing and the pilot explained everything that was going on, all the little noises and all the safety systems etc.
Such a big shame it can't happen these days.
In this case it was a private charter and everyone on the plane knew each other etc. All seems a bit harsh to me.
I was once taken up to the cockpit of a Virgin Atlantic flight to Toronto. I was absolutely terrified of flying at the time, but the experience really helped me. I was also invited back up there for landing and the pilot explained everything that was going on, all the little noises and all the safety systems etc.
Such a big shame it can't happen these days.
In this case it was a private charter and everyone on the plane knew each other etc. All seems a bit harsh to me.
09 October 2007, 08:09 PM
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As far as I know, only the company's Flight Ops manager has the authority to decide who can/cannot benefit from visits to the Flight Deck - not the Captain. His authority is partly to comply with and uphold relevant rules and regulations of the airline apart from situations where there might be compelling reasons not to. Those situations don't extend to simply satisfying the Captain's opinions, prejudices or thoughts at any particular time so I'd have thought the company were making the right decision if this is what we have to go by.
Its not as if its the first time he's pushed the boundaries with the airline, so its hardly surprising he got treated this way. Certainly, he had issues with the RAF so it was perhaps only a matter of time before something like this happened - discipline is there for a reason. Whilst many have questioned the possibility of hijacking what would have happened if this footballer had gone loco on the Flight Deck due to his fear of flying? The story would certainly have been different then.
Its not as if its the first time he's pushed the boundaries with the airline, so its hardly surprising he got treated this way. Certainly, he had issues with the RAF so it was perhaps only a matter of time before something like this happened - discipline is there for a reason. Whilst many have questioned the possibility of hijacking what would have happened if this footballer had gone loco on the Flight Deck due to his fear of flying? The story would certainly have been different then.
09 October 2007, 10:05 PM
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this is Bollocks..the Captain is THE CAPTAIN.his the one thats flying the damn plane and its the captains decison...if he hadnt of let savage into the cockpit you would probably be reading,,airline pilot fired for refusing footballer into cockpit...f..k..g world.
10 October 2007, 11:37 AM
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As far as I know, only the company's Flight Ops manager has the authority to decide who can/cannot benefit from visits to the Flight Deck - not the Captain. His authority is partly to comply with and uphold relevant rules and regulations of the airline apart from situations where there might be compelling reasons not to. Those situations don't extend to simply satisfying the Captain's opinions, prejudices or thoughts at any particular time so I'd have thought the company were making the right decision if this is what we have to go by.
Its not as if its the first time he's pushed the boundaries with the airline, so its hardly surprising he got treated this way. Certainly, he had issues with the RAF so it was perhaps only a matter of time before something like this happened - discipline is there for a reason. Whilst many have questioned the possibility of hijacking what would have happened if this footballer had gone loco on the Flight Deck due to his fear of flying? The story would certainly have been different then.
Its not as if its the first time he's pushed the boundaries with the airline, so its hardly surprising he got treated this way. Certainly, he had issues with the RAF so it was perhaps only a matter of time before something like this happened - discipline is there for a reason. Whilst many have questioned the possibility of hijacking what would have happened if this footballer had gone loco on the Flight Deck due to his fear of flying? The story would certainly have been different then.
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10 October 2007, 01:02 PM
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I think FlatCap's largely correct. Isn't it a CAA requirement for locked flight deck doors? If so then the dude's in the wrong, pure and simple. There's no leeway for "oh, but the captain thought it would be okay...".