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Old 30 September 2007, 07:51 PM
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Angry Labour ramping up fuel duty tonight

BBC NEWS | Business | Petrol pump price could pass £1

2p per litre extra tax from tonight, and other 2p per litre extra tax in April, then again the following April

With oil prices at an all-time high of $83/barrel its hardly welcome. Average prices nearing a quid a litre.

But hey inflation is still only 1.9%
Old 30 September 2007, 08:07 PM
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Labour, screw people with taxes!! NEVER!
They dropped income tax you know lol

Aaah who am I trying to kid. **** holes!

Thank god I just bought a 1.8
Old 30 September 2007, 08:23 PM
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Bugger, forgot about this.
And I need to fill up the scoob - i hate Labour!
Old 30 September 2007, 09:26 PM
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2p a litre = £1.20 per fill from empty. Hardly worth worrying about but it still sucks. Can the duty go much higher? Stupid question.

Bring on the election Gordon... I hope some of the people stick to their guns and oust the lot of ya.
Old 30 September 2007, 09:33 PM
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morrisons have stocked up on fuel at the old price so aren't adding the rise until friday
Old 30 September 2007, 10:34 PM
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Why would a performance car owner be moaning about a few quid extra on a tank of fuel?

Happy to spend £1000 on useless suspension mods, £500 on a remap etc, but moans about a bit extra on fuel.

You should be happy, this will help force the poor off the road and allow you to drive with less traffic.
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poor people have as much right to be on the road as anyone else
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Originally Posted by Snazy
Bring on the election Gordon... I hope some of the people stick to their guns and oust the lot of ya.
Fair enough, but can you point me to where the Tories et al state they are to reverse all these fuel duty rises. Thought not.

Not saying Labour should necessarily be voted back in, but just blindly thinking all will be well with another party in power is at best naive and at worst plain daft.
Old 01 October 2007, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Fair enough, but can you point me to where the Tories et al state they are to reverse all these fuel duty rises. Thought not.

Not saying Labour should necessarily be voted back in, but just blindly thinking all will be well with another party in power is at best naive and at worst plain daft.
Precisely.
Old 01 October 2007, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bootsy
poor people have as much right to be on the road as anyone else
They sure do, but hopefully as stated people will start to be taxed off the road. Leave everybody in their ferraris and rolls royces an open road.

Who do you think the London congestion charge hits the most - nurses or company execs in their S class mercs?
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They are going to do it all over again next year too!

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Originally Posted by apkadb
Why would a performance car owner be moaning about a few quid extra on a tank of fuel?

Happy to spend £1000 on useless suspension mods, £500 on a remap etc, but moans about a bit extra on fuel.

You should be happy, this will help force the poor off the road and allow you to drive with less traffic.
People may be viewing this post negatively, but he is right. That is the aim of the policies that are being imposed upon us.

The government has 2 goals, get people off the road, and get more tax out of those left. They NEED more money, and they must also reduce the number of miles driven on our roads to be in line with their "green policies". We will see prices well in excess of £2 a litre within the next decade or two. That is assuming the average numptie in this country keeps buying the green policy CO2 lie.
Old 02 October 2007, 12:46 PM
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"Poor people have as much right to be on the road as anyone else."
No they don't. Rich people paid the taxes that are used to build and maintain the roads. Therefore they should get first call. They also pay the taxes that get 'invested' in providing a subsidised public transport system for the poor.
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Fair enough, but can you point me to where the Tories et al state they are to reverse all these fuel duty rises. Thought not.

Not saying Labour should necessarily be voted back in, but just blindly thinking all will be well with another party in power is at best naive and at worst plain daft.
Dont recall saying I believed they had made such a promise.
But after seeing it year in year out, surely trying something else aint such a bad idea.

Or do you renew your car insurance without shopping round annually

Thats what im saying. After a few changes of leadership, is giving another party a change such a bad thing?

Or we could all just bend over and take it as its given, year in year out.
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The really rich don't pay their share of taxes though. If you really make the money, then you can afford to give a small amount of your money to a clever accountant who can keep vast swathes of your income away from the taxman.

There is nothing wrong in having to work for something. However, the average person who does work should not have any issues with climbing into their car just to go to work. The idea of forcing them onto every increasingly expensive "alternatives" is simply wrong. The more that concept is promoted the more expensive these alternatives become, effectively meaning these people just end up losing more and more of their income.
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Originally Posted by Luminous
People may be viewing this post negatively, but he is right. That is the aim of the policies that are being imposed upon us.

The government has 2 goals, get people off the road, and get more tax out of those left. They NEED more money, and they must also reduce the number of miles driven on our roads to be in line with their "green policies". We will see prices well in excess of £2 a litre within the next decade or two. That is assuming the average numptie in this country keeps buying the green policy CO2 lie.
Totally agree with this, plus the apkadb post. It's going to happen, so we either buy a more economical car, or we stomach it.
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Originally Posted by Luminous
The really rich don't pay their share of taxes though. If you really make the money, then you can afford to give a small amount of your money to a clever accountant who can keep vast swathes of your income away from the taxman.

There is nothing wrong in having to work for something. However, the average person who does work should not have any issues with climbing into their car just to go to work. The idea of forcing them onto every increasingly expensive "alternatives" is simply wrong. The more that concept is promoted the more expensive these alternatives become, effectively meaning these people just end up losing more and more of their income.
The mega ritch don;t, but they make up a very small percentage of the tax paying population. Those earning average wage or greater do, effectively, fund the services for those in lower income brackets.

So, sorry, but the richer people do pay for the roads that the poorer people use. Of course, there is no other way in our current economic climate, so until we reverse the balance of payments (or find more oil) there is nothing that can be done about it.

Of course, if we find enough oil to fund what is currently funded through obscene taxation, the yanks will probably find an excuse to go to war with us

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Or maybe a more economical government that doesn't waste billions on illegal wars?
Old 02 October 2007, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
Or maybe a more economical government that doesn't waste billions on illegal wars?
I'm afraid we are so ****ed economically that it will take more than the cost of an illegal wat to sort us out
Old 02 October 2007, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bootsy
poor people have as much right to be on the road as anyone else
Rubbish no one has the "right" to be on the road. Those that are on the road have the priviledge to be there by passing the driving test and having a valid licence and being able to afford to buy a car and associated costs.

you have as much "right" to the road as you have money

Anyway, if you think 2p is "ramping up" fuel charges then wait until the 5/10/15p rises come into force in the not too distance future (with reference to climate change etc.). Don't forget that NL did NOT raise fuel tax for a fair few years up until recently.

Like it? Of course not, can afford it? Of course you can else you'd be selling the car off to buy something cheaper. I remember at 80p a litre people were moaning that they'd never be able to afford to run a car if it were at £1 a litre yet that's what we have now and more people are on the roads than ever, clearly they can afford it.

I dislike fuel being expensive as much as the next man, however we are no way near "crunch" time where people start getting off the roads due to unaffordability. Even at £1.50, the majority would still drive (most would make economies elsewhere), maybe nearing £2 a litre will we see a shift away from cars (mind you, public transport cost would also rise as well, catch 22).
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We ought to declare war on the USA, promptly surrender and then they can come over and rebuild our crumbling infrastructure!
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
We ought to declare war on the USA, promptly surrender and then they can come over and rebuild our crumbling infrastructure!

Nice plan, but they are broke lol
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