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Quoted from the telegraph today re heathrow demo

"Michael Vegan (changed surname by deedpoll) who is a eco scientist arrived with his wife and three children in a landrover discovery"

One rule for them limp wristed liberal numpties and a different one for us - wheres his eco vehicle

chop

David Lock

But I'd bet a pound to a pinch of skunk that he's running it on veggie oil...

Albeit grown in a field that used to be part of a rain forest

bugeyeandy

It's ok, they'll be gone in a couple of weeks no doubt be off to get harpooned by a Japanese whaler or sit on a landmine somewhere. Anything that doesn't involve working for a living and i'm sure they'll go.
Climate change is just the latest "cause" for these people to jump on.
We'll be out of oil in 50 years or so anyway so whats the fuss. Nature will restore things how they were (possibly )

Simon 69

Thats palm oil. Vegetable oil has doubled in price as a result of its being used as fuel though.....

Dan W

That's exactly what I thought when I read the news online this morining.

AndyC_772

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Absolutely. Maybe what we need is another Cold War - nothing like the threat of being vapourised in a nuclear fireball to put a 0.25 dec C temperature rise in perspective

Flatcapdriver

Chop. You can make a very good environmental case for any of the Land Rover products given that 75% of them are still running, unlike other vehicles that have a much shorter lifespan. Run it through a life cycle analysis and it compares favourably.

However, I take your point given that they're all very busy pointing fingers at the rest of us and were delighted in the so called 4x4 tax.

Fuzz

A landrover has about a 30-40 year life cycle and he's probably running it on bio fuels as well.
So you can hardly point the fingers at him for driving one of them.

So fecking short sighted.


Andy

Fuzz

ahh rollox, flat cap beat me to it

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Interesting points fuzz and flat cap.

Why the higher tax's on 4x4's then if they are actually quite eco friendly?



chop

Fuzz

BAND WAGON !!

AndyC_772

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Because they're politically unfashionable

Scoob99

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Start landing a few 747's on top of the tree hugging gits!!!!!
Cheers
Colin

FlightMan

I can see these chimps from my office window.

I am praying we get an early morning 747 go around off 27R. That should ruin their beauty sleep.

FlightMan

Wait 10 years. They're camped where runway 3 is going!

Nido

I think an Air France Concorde is much the better option........

logiclee

You have fallen for the Media hype of getting higher taxes in on the back of the anti 4X4 brigade.

Over half of the 4x4 SUV's on sale do not fall into band G.

85% of the vehicles in Band G are not 4X4 SUV's.


In the USA Hummer and Jeep actually proved that including manufacture and disposal over a 20 year life cycle some of their products produced less CO2 than the Toyota Prius.

As for the thread itself, 10-20% of the average families (who holiday abroad) yearly CO2 output is down to the flight.
Holiday in the UK and run a Discovery and you could easily produce less CO2 than someone who holidays abroad and uses a push bike.
It's never easy to judge someone although an eco warrior should not be flying and using the push bike.

Cheers
Lee

boomer

..that'll be the Prius that has been around for 20 years then

Tree-huggers quote the most amazing crap. You just gotta catch them at their own game.

When they (as they inevitably do) say "man made climate change", you have to immediately say - "what? you mean man-made weather?" -'cos that's what we are talking about. The weather! It changes! Get used to it you stupid, name changing, chelsea tractor driving, children indoctrinating, progress inhibiting (including your tractor), artificial PVC tent building, "workshop" visiting (not that you have every worked a day in your life), barely one "page 94" entry on the BBC News web-site, vege-eating (thus methane farting) saddo waste of oxygen.

Oops, did i get carried away??

mb

p.s. logiclee - this was not aimed at you, Just "Mr Vegan" and his tribe!

logiclee

They worked on Toyota's own life cycle predictions for the batteries, motors, mechanicals and shell.

As you say a Prius will not last that long on it's original components.

Cheers
Lee

SJ_Skyline

boomer - you missed out "nut-munching, sandal-wearing, soap-dodging"

Leslie

Can anyone explain however why this bunch running the country are jumping up and down about global warming and climate change being caused by just about anything we do, so they must therefore tax us for it, and the fact that they have approved a new terminal and a new runway built on top of people's houses etc. which will increase the emission of carbon gases by the most enormous amount due to the vast increase in throughput of passengers. They have approved the increase of traffic handling capability by the other airports too!

Is it therefore any wonder that people are prepared to demonstrate against it?

Les

Wurzel

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The thing that I found intereseting was the 20 yr old girl pictured on the news website who was a professional protestor, she had just spent 4 months on a protest outside a Naval base in Scotland and was now outside Heathrow.

Now I got thinking that as a professional protestor she would have no income as protesting is not a paid job as far as I know, so she either has rich parents supporting her, is not needing any money whatsoever to survive or is on the dole. If the later then in her own admission of being on a protest for 4 months and being a proffesional protester she has not actively seeked work so should not be eligable for any welfare or dole handouts.

I can't imagine that anybody can survive with no money or source of income.

the DHSS or whatever they are called now should go down there and gather evidence that these plebs are not seeking work and stop any and all benefits to these people.

Nimbus

Give China another 10 years and I think we will have one...

Steve vRS

How much CO2 will the 2012 Olympics produce I wonder?

And before Red Ken says it will be powered by renewable, newt friendly (but eagle unfriendly) wind power, all those bulldozers don't run on solar power and you should see the crap a cement kiln burns to make cement for concrete!

Steve

Leslie

I doubt very much that the authorities actually believe in man caused global warming anyway.

Les

logiclee

I'm with you 100% Leslie, as individuals we have to pay massive amounts of so called pollution tax, there is the massive tax on fuel and many other green taxes such as the fossil fuel levy that cripples many small firms in the manufacturing and generation sector. We are made to feel guilty about driving larger cars although pollution levels are falling for road going vehicles.
In nearly every sector "Pollution" taxes are going up while emissions are coming down. That is until you get to aviation who have very little taxation, easy planning and will increase their percentage of the UK's CO2 emissions from 2% to 10% from now to 2050.
That's a massive percentage when you consider how much tax the motorist and other industries pay. Why should aviation fuel be taxed less than petrol/diesel?

If we are going to have green taxes then lets even the ball park across the board without increasing the total tax burden.

Cheers
Lee

PS. I haven't a clue how anyone can live on a flight path, I stopped in Chertsey for a week and I felt like I'd been tortured.

Fuzz

I don't like the idea of being taxed to the eyeballs to "go green" but to be honest this country is in need of the biggest **** kicking to get out of how reliant we are on fossil fuels / how lazy we are in not using green energy.
Maybe putting the spin on "It's global warming and we must stop it" was just simply a very well timed excuse.
I'm all for a world utilising green energy so we don't rape it's resources until there is nothing left.
I can swallow the fact that it's been spun into the global warming nightmare.
Being taxed because of it, is an even bitter pill to swallow!!

Andy

logiclee

And when the tax system is unfair it's even worse.

Why should the motorist be taxed to the hilt because of greenhouse gasses when avaition keeps being given the go-ahead to increase CO2 production and pays very little relative taxation to it's CO2 output.

Lets even thing up! Less fuel duty for the motorist and more for fuel duty on aviation.

Cheers
Lee

AndyC_772

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I once worked out the cost per kg of CO2 produced by burning fuel in a car for transport vs burning fuel in a domestic boiler for heating and cooking. THAT was an imbalance - yet for some reason nobody seems to suggest that domestic gas (and electricity, of course) should be taxed more heavily and road fuels proportionately less.

boomer

Lee,

have you got a link to the actual calculations. The Prius comes with an eight year warranty on the "synergy drive" system, so should last longer than that, and each individual part will have a recycling code on it. The "hummer" (which model are we talking about?) is a lump of iron

Just interested because i am (shhhh - currently driving a Prius after several years of Scoobies (nothing to do with "Tree Hugger" arguements) and i am concerned about the lies being pedaled about various modes of transport.

mb