kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Welcome to Blairs Britain,his legacy is complete

pslewis

The figures come from very old data - at least 7 years old - so, if it IS the Governments fault (instead of the parents!) then it is the TORIES who are to blame.

PeteBrant

The tories were in power in 2000?

Blimey, And I thought Labour had been in charge for 3 years by that point.




In any event, most of the data was taken from 2004/5 as you can see from page 46 onwards.

http://www1.sky.com/news/UNICEF.pdf

Iwan

No, it means it's Labours fault and it's probably even worse going on todays data.

PeteBrant

The data isn't nearly out of date as the government claim. The report, if you read it, makes one mention of a source being from 2000, the vast majority is from 2003/4/5.

Typical government spin.

lozgti

At least everyone is afforded a plasma TV in this day and age.Dole or not

Still don't understand how the poorer and grottier you are,the better your mobile,trainers,designer gear are than other kids.

The Zohan

And here are the underliying problems,

Rather than put thier hands up and admit there is a problem and trhey habve nt done anything about it.

Blame others

Put a spin on it.

NL is just falling over itself to blame others, nothiung is ever thier fault or responsibility. Funny that same attitude as the kids.

pslewis

The Children questioned in 2000 WERE the product of TORY Policies during the previous years .............. to think otherwise is just showing yourselves up!

PeteBrant

If only this were just a Labour phenomenon. The Tories are equally as bad. All politicans will spin to try and make the best of bad news.

You will never hear a politician of any persuation say "Yup, we ****ed that up good and proper, here's what we are going to do to sort it out"

Instead it is always either the previous governments' fault, or, when you have been in office for a long time and blaming the previous government is no longer an option, is it "Years of under investment" that is usually blamed - Or perhaps even a predecessor, as is the case with the Home Office.

PeteBrant

Sure, no doubt tory policy had an effect on the results of the 2000 survey.

So, that takes care of 10% of the report

What about the other 90% of the report which came from much later data?

To not question your own government when results like this come to light, no matter whether you support them or not , is blind folly.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

And in a nutshell this thread encapsulates everything that is wrong with the UK's political landscape.

Can any of you not see that being so small minded as to argue over who's fault it is rather than consider how we might as a nation might reverse the situation is utterly pathetic and exactly what both majoir political parties have been doing for years.

The specific situation being discussed here doesn't just happen overnight and I am sure that at least some of you are intelligent enough to deep down really know that and therefore also know that it is not any one government's fault although this of course doesn't fit with your compartmentalised political viewpoints.

The real problem of course is that this is just a thread on an Internet BBS, but sadly this is exacty the way the parties behave and until at least one of them stops trying to constantly score political points and do what's right for the electorate and hence the country nothing will ever change. Trouble is the electorate are part of that political game in some ways and just play along as witnessed in thread after thread here for instance so what real hope is there?

PeteBrant

Whilst I agree with you to a certain extent, government must be held accountable for failure. And opposition must provide an alternative - If not, then why not just have asingle party system?

This report has highlighted an obvious problem in British society, in turn it has become a political issue. If the government do not make improvements, then they will be held accountable, no matter what the history, and rightly so.

The Zohan

Agreed, i certainly do not hold the tories or Lib Dems up as shining examples how to do it right, mores the pity!

Not too sure Cameron has admitted his drug taking or made a statement about it. I am not expecting much from him TBH.

The worrst thing it that whilst we sit here typing and slagging each party off there is not clear option, all are poor with more weaknesses that strenghts, there is not one that i would/could say

"YES, they are going to do the right thing and make this a better place, start putting the peole first instead of thier careers"

And that is a real shame as this affects us all

Clarebabes

And you honestly think that it's got better over the last 7 years? I think that shows the country in a good light as it's being going further and further downhill since then.

What with this and the NHS having to take lightbulbs out of hospitals to save some money on the news this morning, I feel well and truly depressed!

KiwiGTI

Normally I'd jump on the bandwagon but this time I've read the report.

What a load of unsubstantiated and subjective rubbish it is too. I wonder what the political driver is behind it - similar to Eurovision where the Europeans like to hammer the Brits?

It takes no account of geographic factors or reasons behind behaviour and the statistics are completely irrelevant. How can they possible get this sort of 'pulp fiction' published.

This report is deeply flawed.

The Zohan

Quite!

Have things got better in the last 7 years, ask anyone, anyone (except PSL) and i doubt they will say yes.

So many things have gone down hill in the last 10 years, NL may not have been responsible for some issues in the first place. What have they done?, nothing, nothing that makes things better, blame others, never thieir fault, they inherited problems.

No responsibility, no ownership, no ***** = NL.

Just soundbite politics, spin and more lies!

Clarebabes

Sounds like the youth of this country, "it's not my fault I can't get a job!"

Rapid17

The better mobiles, trainers and designer gear are probably stolen.

The Zohan

And there is little or no stigma, chance of detection or punishment attached to being a theif either.

Education, education, education! was the cry frm B-Liars lips, just a vote grabbing soundbite!

KiwiGTI

Traditional education standards have disappeared. Anyone remember 'i before e except after c'?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Just been listening to the UNICEF representative discussing this report and purely as a matter of interest he cited the period from 1979 to 1999 as being the period when a lack of investment in education, health etc. and an undermining of the social structure of the country did the damage.

Just thought you'd like that morsel to chew on.

FWIW worth I don't think you can blame any one government as I think the problem is a compounded and complex one and I am more interested in what can be done about it rather than how we got here. Pity our political parties can't think the same way.

lozgti

Still blame the 'Godless' society.Not the politicians.

Very sad times.

Leslie

That is a classic cop-out as you well know PSL. This sorry lot of cronies ahve done nothing to improve the situation. In fact they have made it worse by their positive destruction of the family with their shameful policies. The children are not being brought up properly by the parents whose moral and social standards have been encouraged to drop to gutter level.

f1 fan has soome good points in his posts but I still lay the most blame at the feet of Billy boy and his self seeking mates with all the soundbites and no significant action-as always. The real truth is, they do not give a stuff for this country or the people!

Les

Clarebabes

I saw that too and it makes me cry.

Chip

No doubt Labour will somehow spin this around to show it's a good thing a bit like they did the other day when they said that it showed the NHS was getting better even because it had 18000 fewer beds than when they came to power.

Chip

The Zohan

Makes you sick to your stomach and this is not exactly a one off is it, child rapists and murderes are allowed in and when they offend they get minimal jail time then back out to do it again, this county is being turned into a toilet by letting scum like this into the UK Immigartion needs to stop and we need a more robust and real world approach to this critial issue, also, the european human rights treaty needs to looked at as it is being abused scumbags who use it to get in and stay no matter what they do whilst hee though fear of percecution if returned to whenst they came, etc

warrenm2

One of the fundamental causes of this problem is benefits and the traps they create

Little benefit for working single mothers | Uk News | News | Telegraph

The socialist ideal of helping poor people through wealth redistribution is in reality causing immense damage to society. Unfortunately they are so idealogically wedded to this idea, it will never change whilst Labour or (god forbid!) the Lib Dems are in power.

I am not arguing for removal of benefits, I do follow the Churchill line that the state should provide a safety net through which no man may fall. But being on the dole, having housing benefit, no council tax, invalidity benefit, tax credits etc etc etc etc, simply means that taking state money can now be a lifestyle choice. This is clearly bad all round, and must be changed

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

And the Tory policies for changing the benefits system are where?

Look I am as fed up with this lot as anyone, but unlike many I cannot put blind faith in the other, so called, electable party. I heard the same arguments about benefits in the 80s - no poarty has the ***** to stand up to the do gooders and to just be harsh but fair where the welfare state is concerned. Or much else for that matter