Today's 'human rights' madness
13 November 2006, 11:10 AM
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Today's 'human rights' madness
Another week begins and the New Labour PC loopy lefties continue with their master plan to dismantle our society once an for all:
FS When will the madness of this worthless government be stopped. 
BBC NEWS | UK | 'Payments' for prison cold turkey
Six prisoners and former inmates who say they were forced to stop taking drugs are expected to get out-of-court payments.
The test case claims human rights were breached and the practice amounted to assault is due to take place.
The test case claims human rights were breached and the practice amounted to assault is due to take place.
A Home Office spokeswoman said it was inappropriate to comment on the case while the litigation was still ongoing.
BBC NEWS | UK | 'Payments' for prison cold turkey
13 November 2006, 01:31 PM
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out of court settlement in the prisoners' favour. the home office once more "not fit for purpose".
that means we, the taxpayers, pay damages to low-life criminal scum for trying to clean up their sad, sordid little lives. as has been said, you couldn't make it up - but it is the reality of the brussels-directed world we now live in.
repeal the EU Bill of Human Rights right now. end nonsensical prosections brought by mercenary "human rights" lawyers on the make. it's just not right.
it's enough to make me puke. once again.
that means we, the taxpayers, pay damages to low-life criminal scum for trying to clean up their sad, sordid little lives. as has been said, you couldn't make it up - but it is the reality of the brussels-directed world we now live in.
repeal the EU Bill of Human Rights right now. end nonsensical prosections brought by mercenary "human rights" lawyers on the make. it's just not right.
it's enough to make me puke. once again.
13 November 2006, 01:50 PM
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So....
They've done something illegal, they've been locked up and prevented from doing something else that's illegal, so now they've sued the home office for preventing them from doing an illegal activity whilst in prison for doing something illegal?
Well that makes it all clear then.
They've done something illegal, they've been locked up and prevented from doing something else that's illegal, so now they've sued the home office for preventing them from doing an illegal activity whilst in prison for doing something illegal?
Well that makes it all clear then.
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13 November 2006, 05:06 PM
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ill have a go at the defence in PS Lewis' absence
An immediate 'cold turkey' could have caused fatalities to the parties concerned. They should have been offered the correct drug treatment to ween them off slowly.
Lord Shrek......did Tony Martin ever receive amy compensation for the shotgun cartridges he used
An immediate 'cold turkey' could have caused fatalities to the parties concerned. They should have been offered the correct drug treatment to ween them off slowly.
Lord Shrek......did Tony Martin ever receive amy compensation for the shotgun cartridges he used
13 November 2006, 06:37 PM
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Changes in law are needed. Our Common Law dates back several hundred years and needs rapid overhaul to get rid of the loopholes. However don't expect anything soon as those that can effect change are very far removed from the real world. The House of Lords is full of anachronistic and bureaucratic claptrap!
13 November 2006, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
So....
They've done something illegal, they've been locked up and prevented from doing something else that's illegal, so now they've sued the home office for preventing them from doing an illegal activity whilst in prison for doing something illegal?
Well that makes it all clear then.
They've done something illegal, they've been locked up and prevented from doing something else that's illegal, so now they've sued the home office for preventing them from doing an illegal activity whilst in prison for doing something illegal?
Well that makes it all clear then.
They're were NOT doing something illegal - they had a legally-prescribed methadone program stopped. The fact that the methadone was prescribed to stop them doing something illegal (taking heroin) is neither here nor there - they were perfectly legally taking a medication when it was stopped by the Prison Service.
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13 November 2006, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
They're were NOT doing something illegal - they had a legally-prescribed methadone program stopped. The fact that the methadone was prescribed to stop them doing something illegal (taking heroin) is neither here nor there - they were perfectly legally taking a medication when it was stopped by the Prison Service.
They are illegal aren`t they?
They are in prison for breaking the law of the land aren`t they?
How can they take an illegal drug in prison?
Remember what Blair said?
Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime! I`ve yet to see much action on this.
I don`t remember the part about spunking tax payers money on compensation for junkies.
Nothing surprises me about modern UK anymore.
13 November 2006, 07:40 PM
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If the criminals are hooked on heroin, this is fuelling the crimes they commit.
If it was proven that methodone treatment in prison gave them a much better chance of staying off the heroin when they are released, then its tax money very well spent.
If you believe in the principle of prison being for punishment AND rehabilitation then the prison service have a duty to treat these criminals, to minimise the cost to the taxpayer when they get released.
Personally I think going cold turkey, if proven to be as effective, is a nice combo of punishment and rehabilitation..
If it was proven that methodone treatment in prison gave them a much better chance of staying off the heroin when they are released, then its tax money very well spent.
If you believe in the principle of prison being for punishment AND rehabilitation then the prison service have a duty to treat these criminals, to minimise the cost to the taxpayer when they get released.
Personally I think going cold turkey, if proven to be as effective, is a nice combo of punishment and rehabilitation..
13 November 2006, 08:10 PM
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deport all the ethnics ,let there motherland fund them. make more room for our own idiots and keep them off the streets for longer. maybe life might mean life then.
14 November 2006, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Lord Shrek
An immediate 'cold turkey' could have caused fatalities to the parties concerned.
This is a problem because...??
14 November 2006, 06:07 AM
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The action brought does have an absurdity to it HOWEVER can anyone of the 'PC/Labour' moaners explain to me the link between the current Government and this legal action?
My take on it is that Government policy executed through the prison system has prevented an illegal activity. And then the law of the land has been used by some smart lawyers to indicate breach of human rights. I don't remember seeing Labour passing a Bill protecting the taking of heroin in Prison.
Prison warders have always had a duty of care to their wards. If prisoners are admitted with a heroin problem a duty of care would surely include treatment in the same way other diseases should be treated. If only to prevent further illegal activity from occuring.
None of this is new to the reign of Blair, this requirement goes back years.
So tell me - what have I missed?
My take on it is that Government policy executed through the prison system has prevented an illegal activity. And then the law of the land has been used by some smart lawyers to indicate breach of human rights. I don't remember seeing Labour passing a Bill protecting the taking of heroin in Prison.
Prison warders have always had a duty of care to their wards. If prisoners are admitted with a heroin problem a duty of care would surely include treatment in the same way other diseases should be treated. If only to prevent further illegal activity from occuring.
None of this is new to the reign of Blair, this requirement goes back years.
So tell me - what have I missed?
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14 November 2006, 08:43 AM
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6.07 Rannoch ? Scobynet nightshift or just an early riser ?!
Agree that the problem is with smart lawyers taking advantage of common law. Having been made aware of the issue hopefully the Govt can get something onto the Statute books to prevent a recurrence !!
Agree that the problem is with smart lawyers taking advantage of common law. Having been made aware of the issue hopefully the Govt can get something onto the Statute books to prevent a recurrence !!
14 November 2006, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by andythejock01wrx
6.07 Having been made aware of the issue hopefully the Govt can get something onto the Statute books to prevent a recurrence !!
Labour do something non-PC and useful? As our Scottish friends are wont to say, "Aye, right"
Apparently they are busy trying to strengthen race laws to protect Muslims..............you know, like the ones that bombed the tube........
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14 November 2006, 08:56 AM
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How long before Cherie Blair's & her mates bring a case against the UK for removing the human right of prisoners to walk freely amongst society.
The Lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum.
(Although the loonies were let out of the Asylums years ago to protect their human rights)
What a Joke !
The Lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum.
(Although the loonies were let out of the Asylums years ago to protect their human rights)
What a Joke !
14 November 2006, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
The House of Lords is full of anachronistic and bureaucratic claptrap!
One of its great strengths is that it is unelected, meaning no short termist viewpoints, and making populist legislation in order to gain support. A longer term view is taken with an eye on future reprocussions.
I wouldn't be without it in a "democracy" where the government of the day has a large majority.
14 November 2006, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
And then the law of the land has been used by some smart lawyers to indicate breach of human rights. ?
THEY encouraged no win no fee culture.The full mad American system is neary here (sue for burning yourself drinking hot coffee mentaliity).
This whole system disgusts me.Like the new bankruptcy rules,again from an American idea on matters.
For a party that was meant to represent the 'working man' they have created a vile namby pampy country with scenarios like this prisoner thing taking the proverbial
Lock them in solitary for uttering the dreaded 'Human Rights' crap
14 November 2006, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by brihoppy
just seen this on the lunchtime news...you couldnt make it up could you...?!
You are not wrong, i watch sky news and it makes me feel sad to see what goes on back in the UK.
An Indian man was caught entering Dubai with 2Kilos of heroin strapped about his person, he tried to claim illegal search, the judge just laughed and gave him life meaning life. BTW the local prisons do not have Sky (or in some cases a roof). Not a place you would want to end up.
Thery do not have a high reoffending rate, not due to soft lefties PC w@nkers defending the rights of prisioners or convincing people it is not the prisoners fault they choose to commit crime.
Prisions are hell holes here, you would not want to ever go back, seems to work, no problems with those poor iclke prisioners human rights, as far as the courts are concerned they gave them up when they chose crime. A sound line to take
The may not have everything right here, they do know how to treat and punish those who choose to go against society though!
Uk could learn a lesson or two from other countries, things will get worse whilst madness prevails, the scum will just exploit laws set up to protect decent law abiding people!
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14 November 2006, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Simon S3
But the methadone is a substitute for class A drugs isn`t it?
They are illegal aren`t they?
They are in prison for breaking the law of the land aren`t they?
How can they take an illegal drug in prison?
They are illegal aren`t they?
They are in prison for breaking the law of the land aren`t they?
How can they take an illegal drug in prison?
14 November 2006, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Vegescoob
Now when smoking in public places is made illegal will it include prisons?
Will all the inmates who are smokers then receive compensation?
Will all the inmates who are smokers then receive compensation?
14 November 2006, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by matchmaker
In Scotland prisoners are excluded from the anti-smoking legislation. They're not exactly going to let you out of the Bar-L for a quick tab, are they?
The place has gone mad I tell ya
14 November 2006, 11:20 AM
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Good point about his wife and removing a criminal's freedom Jasey.
If they don't want to have to go cold turkey then the best way is to desist from criminal activities. Its actually doing them a favour anyway.
Prison should be an unpleasant experience which is difficult to forget in order to persuade criminals that it is just not worth it.
Les
If they don't want to have to go cold turkey then the best way is to desist from criminal activities. Its actually doing them a favour anyway.
Prison should be an unpleasant experience which is difficult to forget in order to persuade criminals that it is just not worth it.
Les
14 November 2006, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Habgood
Thery do not have a high reoffending rate, not due to soft lefties PC w@nkers defending the rights of prisioners or convincing people it is not the prisoners fault they choose to commit crime.
