FAO those with UPVC doors or Yale type locks
19 August 2006, 08:21 PM
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FAO those with UPVC doors or Yale type locks
I've just been made aware of some new methods thieves are using to gain entry to houses with pin & tumbler style locks. I won't go into too much detail, but a quick search for "Bump Key" will reveal all, especially the HOW TO videos on YouTube 
This technique is so prolific in Germany that the Police have used national television to alert everyone to the ease at which a thief can gain access to your property. Also, as there is no evidence of forced entry your insurance company is likely to not pay out on the grounds of suspected fraud, or complacency (left doors open).
If you solely rely on these locks then I think you need to upgrade NOW!
I've posted this as the thieves are already aware, the general public however are not. If no-one tells them they will only find out when it is too late.
This technique is so prolific in Germany that the Police have used national television to alert everyone to the ease at which a thief can gain access to your property. Also, as there is no evidence of forced entry your insurance company is likely to not pay out on the grounds of suspected fraud, or complacency (left doors open).If you solely rely on these locks then I think you need to upgrade NOW!
I've posted this as the thieves are already aware, the general public however are not. If no-one tells them they will only find out when it is too late.
19 August 2006, 08:41 PM
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19 August 2006, 08:54 PM
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Hello
Locks have always been like that. I have a Pick gun that I bought years and years ago. Place it in the lock a few presses and it springs open.
So nothing new really.
Steve
Locks have always been like that. I have a Pick gun that I bought years and years ago. Place it in the lock a few presses and it springs open.
So nothing new really.
Steve
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19 August 2006, 08:56 PM
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This is nothing new. It's been around since time begun and is at least 8 years old if not more. It used to be called raking. In fact, you can buy electronic ones which vibrate inside the lock. These are even quicker.
19 August 2006, 08:59 PM
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Bumping lock tumblers isn't new, the principle has been around for many years, just like opening some barrel locks with bic pens or opening padlocks with shims.
I've been messing about with locks for years, the internet just made it a lot easier for the information to be spread about.
Edit, lol both in before me.
I've been messing about with locks for years, the internet just made it a lot easier for the information to be spread about.
Edit, lol both in before me.
19 August 2006, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxtankie
Surely this can and is being done with car locks too?
No, car locks work differently. They don't have the same tumbler as a 'front-door' type lock so you can't use the same method.
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19 August 2006, 09:06 PM
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Ok so whether the idea is new or not, what can you do about it? Ihave upvc doors front and back so guess who wont be sleeping tonight? 
Anyone want to trade three cats for a flesh ripping doberman?
Anyone want to trade three cats for a flesh ripping doberman?
19 August 2006, 09:14 PM
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Brumdaisy,
Don't worry about this, really don't. This has been known to thieves in the UK for a long long time. This has been public knowledge for a very long time. There is nothing different today than 2 years ago. If they are determined, they will get in no matter what the lock. The weakest point is usually the frame or a window.
Don't worry about this, really don't. This has been known to thieves in the UK for a long long time. This has been public knowledge for a very long time. There is nothing different today than 2 years ago. If they are determined, they will get in no matter what the lock. The weakest point is usually the frame or a window.
19 August 2006, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by brumdaisy
Ok so whether the idea is new or not, what can you do about it? Ihave upvc doors front and back so guess who wont be sleeping tonight?
Anyone want to trade three cats for a flesh ripping doberman?
Anyone want to trade three cats for a flesh ripping doberman?
Just put a bolt on your door. No picking that (if you are in the house).
As above, if someone wants to get into your house they will.
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19 August 2006, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by scooter(WRX03 PPP)
Brumdaisy,
Don't worry about this, really don't. This has been known to thieves in the UK for a long long time. This has been public knowledge for a very long time. There is nothing different today than 2 years ago. If they are determined, they will get in no matter what the lock. The weakest point is usually the frame or a window.
Don't worry about this, really don't. This has been known to thieves in the UK for a long long time. This has been public knowledge for a very long time. There is nothing different today than 2 years ago. If they are determined, they will get in no matter what the lock. The weakest point is usually the frame or a window.
Boxst, how do you put a bolt on a UPVC panel?
Im pretty handy at DIY stuff so having fitted a catflap to a UPVC panel I know theres nowt for screws to grip beyond the thin as **** panel..... to the point that last time I locked myself out the house I just kicked thru the catflap and reached up to take the key out the back door - now I know how easy that was I never leave the key in the back door!
Untill you get to a door with a rotwiller sat behind 
19 August 2006, 10:02 PM
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Brum, theres many type of things that can be fitted to doors now .. get down your local b&q or whatever and look in the locks section. even things like those 'rape/alert alarms' can be used.
dont worry tho' like its been said, if anyone really wants to get in anywhere, theres ways and they will.. its not really 'normal' houses they go after, more the big old victorian or the houses down the Roman road in Little Aston
dont worry tho' like its been said, if anyone really wants to get in anywhere, theres ways and they will.. its not really 'normal' houses they go after, more the big old victorian or the houses down the Roman road in Little Aston
19 August 2006, 10:12 PM
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I dunno about locks, but my neighbours had a new uPVC back door that looked bullet-proof to me - locked in four places up the side. But it was popped open with a crow-bar, no probs.
I was working in the garage at the time, not making any noise, and no more than five yards away. Thieving b@stards must have known I was very close by, but I heard nothing
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I was working in the garage at the time, not making any noise, and no more than five yards away. Thieving b@stards must have known I was very close by, but I heard nothing
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19 August 2006, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hectic
Brum, theres many type of things that can be fitted to doors now .. get down your local b&q or whatever and look in the locks section. even things like those 'rape/alert alarms' can be used.
dont worry tho' like its been said, if anyone really wants to get in anywhere, theres ways and they will.. its not really 'normal' houses they go after, more the big old victorian or the houses down the Roman road in Little Aston
dont worry tho' like its been said, if anyone really wants to get in anywhere, theres ways and they will.. its not really 'normal' houses they go after, more the big old victorian or the houses down the Roman road in Little Aston
my house is one of those 'big old victorian' ones
19 August 2006, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by brumdaisy
hectic there is nowt normal about me or my house, you should know that by now
my house is one of those 'big old victorian' ones
my house is one of those 'big old victorian' ones
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19 August 2006, 10:34 PM
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well apart from knowing you 'hang about' up Colmore Row.. and you have cats .. theres not a lot else I know
and Yes, for my sins , Im a bloke..
and Yes, for my sins , Im a bloke..
19 August 2006, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by hectic
well apart from knowing you 'hang about' up Colmore Row.. and you have cats .. theres not a lot else I know
and Yes, for my sins , Im a bloke..
and Yes, for my sins , Im a bloke..
I just work by there, dont put in me in the same category as those champers sipping, ya thats just super dahling, audi TT (yuk yuk yuk) driving ponces
19 August 2006, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by brumdaisy
I certainly do not I just work by there, dont put in me in the same category as those champers sipping, ya thats just super dahling, audi TT (yuk yuk yuk) driving ponces
I just work by there, dont put in me in the same category as those champers sipping, ya thats just super dahling, audi TT (yuk yuk yuk) driving ponces bugger orrf back down Marks an' Sparks then
19 August 2006, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hectic
alright, ok.. you know very well i mean the soup kitchen round the back of Marks...
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