Richard_P

The watch is a 2005 model, just under one year old, silver with black bezel. Received as a gift so no papers. I'm going to carry out the test described by Yoza here.

Appears to be completely genuine (it's from a close mate), I'm thinking of buying - Any ideas of value without papers (has box etc).

Rich

scoobynutta555

Just seen his thread about telling a fake Rolex. Yoza's theory about pulling the winder out one click and turning anti clockwise to turn the hour hand is correct for my GMT2 (2005) but incorrect for my yacht-master (2005), both full gents size.

On the yacht-master pulling out one click and turning anti does nothing, but clockwise runs the date forward. As real a Rolex there ever was unless somebody at Goldsmiths is selling snides. (bought both from the same place, Goldsmiths Leicester)

Personally I'd only buy a Rolex from an official Rolex dealer. If it's bargains you're after maybe a trip to Dubai airport is in order. I've heard they are cheaper out there, you might get some holiday time with your savings And I remember somewhere that the channel Isles are good for a bargain due to their tax status.

The only surefire way of seeing if its fake or not I would assume is taking it to a Rolex dealer, maybe even to Rolex itself, but if it is a fake you might not see it again.

Richard_P

I'm 99% sure it isn't a fake.

Maybe Yoza's method is only for older ones?

No dubai trip coming up I'm afraid

Just some new sunglasses at the airport en route outta here

scoobynutta555

Should have papers with it even if it is fake, in any case having papers is no clue if it's real or not. Call up your local Rolex dealer and see if they have facilities to check the watch.

KiwiGTI

Just be aware that there are fakes that even the manufacturers find hard to detect - although these tend to be in the much more expensive category where the effort is worth it.

Wish

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Personally i would only buy from a Rolex Dealer.... you are 110% its real then.
Funny though as ive got a Yacht Master, the first thing people ask (if they spot it ) is ahhh its a fake ....I just relpy with 'Yes'

Madness .... I pay thousands for a watch then tell everyone its a fake LOL !!

Richard_P

Saves them chopping your arm off to steal it.

This is cheaper than a rolex dealer, hence the reason for purchase. I don't have 4k to spend on a watch

The guy has been given it as a gift and now has to sell it as he wants to buy a car.

scoobynutta555

Trouble being you dont want to pay over 50 quid for the watch if it turns out to be made in Thailand.

If it was a gift and there is no paperwork (receipts etc) you nor he has no real way of telling if it is a fake or not.

Richard_P

True, he is certain it's real.

I'm gonna pay 200 and then go get it checked out. If its not real then i'll give him it back.

Can most watch specialists tell pretty easily?

I might pm Yoza in fact. Is he around these days?

scoobynutta555

200 quid for a real Rolex would be a steal if it's only a year old. I should imagine watch specialists would be able to tell, to a degree, whether a watch is fake or not. As mentioned before simply pick up a phone and call some specialists and see what services they offer. I suspect for comprehensive proof that it is a real Rolex might cost you a wedge of the 200 quid you're going to spend.

Richard_P

I agreed 200 as a payment this month.

He's after 600 in total and he owes me the odd favour anyway

If it's real that's still a great deal, I just want to know for sure, I'm going to contact some local place, I'm guessing maybe £50 for a valuation.

carl

Worthwhile checking if there's a serial number. The back of the case should be totally smooth -- the serial number is between the lugs so you need to take the bracelet off.

scoobynutta555

On the back plate on both of mine there was a green hologram with Rolex all over it. With the yacht-master theres a black serial number printed on top, this is all under a clear sticky plastic. Cant remember with the gmt2 as the sticky plastic on the rear was removed at the dealers (along with all the other bits of sticky plastic over the watch) and the hologram has all but rubbed away, but I think it was the hologram without the black numbers

carl

But the hologram rubs away pretty quick, then people usually take the sticky bit off so that's not really an indication.

rotty

not on a SeaDweller


post pics and I should be able to tell you straight away

value without papers would be about £1700

Richard_P

Rotty,

What are the distinguishing features? Might not get a chance to post pics.

Apparently it has the small rolex engraving on the glass etc, all standard stuff I assume.

rotty

the fakes are often qiuite close to the real thing so some thing are hard to describe without seeing

if the engraving on the glass is easily seen then it is probalaby a fake, the real ones need a loupe and the correct angle of light and is still hard to see

there should be some engraving on the back , the seadweller is the only model with this

there is a helium escape valve on the side at 9 o clock

if you unscrew the crown and pull it out you should see a rubber o ring , this is often missing on fakes

on the bezel the top of the number 4 ( in 40 ) should be flat , this is pointed on some fakes

in reality pics would make this much easier though

on the inside of the bracelet where it joins the clasp ( 12 o clock end ) there should be a small letter o , if you press this then the divers extension should pop out ( this can take a bit of practice to do )

a 2005 model should no have holes on the outside of the lugs where the pins go through and should come with the SEL bracelet

Richard_P

Cheers, might be going to have a look tonight.

Does Yoza's test work on the sea dweller?

rotty

I have just read that, re the hand's moving in one hour increments is not a real test
it may apply to the 24hr hand on the exp2 and gmt2 but is in no way a test of a genuine rolex , it certainly does not apply to watches equipped with a 3135 movement

Richard_P

I'm picking watch up to check it out, pics to follow

Cheers Rotty, I assume you're a dealer?

rotty

I buy and sell a few watches but mainly just to refresh my own collection not for profit

Richard_P

Yes, not easy to see at all. Need to mess about with angles etc.

Yes, visible in the pics.

Yep

Yep

it is.

There is but I can't get it to do anything

Pics are - not working!

You couldn't pm me and email address could you rotty? I'd really appreciate the help!

Gav

Sounds like bargain of the millenium if you ask me

Richard_P

The dodgy part at the moment is that when I unscrew the crown and pull it out 1 click, turning it anti clockwise adjusts the date. According to the test in my link on page 1 that makes it fake? Or does it

Dear me, might hit a pawn brokers tomorrow, see what they offer

rotty

Just tested a Submariner ( same movement ) for you , date turns when crown is turned clockwise on same click

I think ETA movements change date on anti clockwise rotation of crown

Richard_P

It is a very good copy according the jeweller I took it to today. They took the back off and told me in moments.

Disappointing, even more so for my mate as he was done, or the person that bought him it as a gift was done. Not sure if he's been done or tried to do me. Wasn't fully trusting the situation anyway, hence getting it checked.

Thanks to all those who gave advice!

Not to worry no money changed hands so he gets his blag watch back and my bank account stays healthy (till my car breaks again )

scoobynutta555

Sorry to hear that m8, but it's best to get it checked out by somebody who knows their stuff.

If I was your mate I'd be a bit upset with whoever got him the watch if they passed it off as genuine.

Richard_P

Well not sure who's been done and probably never will be. One of those situations where I haven't heard the full story I suspect.

Wish

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Keep looking .... There is nothing like a nice watch.

Ive got a New Rolex Daytona coming at the end of June .... White face too.

Gonna put up for sale as soon as its in my hand.

salsa-king

did you get it?
how long were you on the waiting list?

got mine in 1996.. waited two years then.. but 18months interest free credit helped too a black face one came in first but i turned it down and waited an extra month or so for the white facei wanted.
http://www.salsa-king.fotopic.net/p2172550.html


back to the sea dweller.. you nearly bought, you should be able to pull the winding crown out three stages.
stage one.. you can manually wind it
stage two.. turn the hands
stage three.. quickly change the date without having to go through a full 24hrs on the hands.