kingofturds

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And i still have to wait 5 days to see a doctor. Clogged up with single mums trying to put their 14 year old daughters on the pill no doubt.Wtf do we pay taxes again for?

The Zohan

I do not have a problem with the doctors earning 100K

I do agree about waiting lists and their causes!

The is not the doctors fault and i think we know who is at fault before i sound more like a broken record

Tidgy

well they could get 100k a week for kicking a bit of leather about instead.

Petem95

Does seem like a lot, I assumed most were on about ~£60k

Some being on £1/4mil inc expenses seems very silly when you think massively overworked junior doctors and nurses earn **** all.

The Zohan

Quite, Doctors train for 8 years to get their qualifications. they do not all start on huge salaries and they perform a vital and important role. 100k is not unheard of in many professions for bing at the top of the tree.

I heard yesterday that some where getting 250K, one specialist tax firm who deal with over 600 GP's ststed that they had only 25 earning over 200k and thois was mostly down to them opening other surgeries in often deprived areas and employing other doctors to cover these areas - good on 'em!

kend

I'm a GP in Brum.

Spent last night looking down the back of the sofa, in case the £250k I'd just heard on the news had slipped down there somehow. Only found 34p.

We have had about a 30% payrise over the last 4 years, which still comes to well below half of the £250K I've read about, but have already been warned that a combination of no inflation rises at all for the next 3 years (we obviously still have to give our nurses and staff inflation rises) and changes to the performance related targets mean we should expect a pay cut of around 15% over the next 3 years. The end result should be about 15% over 7 years, which doesn't seem so excessive.
There has also been some fiddling with the numbers- in common with all NHS staff, the health authority used to pay our employers pension contributions, and we used to pay the employees contributions. Now the money for the employers contributions is paid directly to us, and then claimed back to make the payments. This makes our gross salary figure appear 14% higher than it really is.

I have to confess, when I heard the story on the news yesterday, I immediately wondered which bad news was our attention being diverted away from by this story.

Finally, if everyones answers to the numerous 'how much do you earn' threads on scoobynet are true, it suggests £100k a year isn't all that much!

kingofturds

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Yes but you have a choice whether or not you contribute to their wages or not. Wheras you do not with the helth service regardless of what service you get.

Rabid

Saw an item on this yesterday on the news.

There was some dumb old bint coming out with some pap like we see at the top of the thread

"it's disgusting they earn all that money and I have to wait days to see them"

Can anyone explain how these two ******* things are related in anyway?

Dumb Britain strikes again.

My GP is worth every penny of what he gets paid, always has time for me, does a great job, takes a personal interest and dislikes what he calls 'malingerers'. Top man.

Tidgy

To be honest mate 99% of gp's earn there money by working hard and doing long hours (over and above £125k plus), same as surgeons. mum had both her hips replaced about 4 years ago,she went to gp, got reffered to specialist waited 5 years (age thing, waiting as long as possible due to having to have it done again in 20 years).
saw the specialist and was told yep she needed it done and had to wait 18 months for the surgery, luckily we had bupa cover so she spoke to them and got book in same day as her next nhs apointment/checkup etc the nex week. she went to the nhs for her check up, surgeon said to her, see you again in about 5 hours. turns out the same guy does the bupa ops in his spare time to earn extra cash. so she had same op, same doctor in better hospital in half the time, just because he goes out and does extra work.
so can't complain about him earning alot when he was doing lots of hours for both private health and public.

Tidgy

quick question to ask her, y there are so few gp's, even though there so 'overpaid', y doesn't everyone go out and become a gp?

kingofturds

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Wheras some dopey old bint probably pays **** all towards the up keep of the nhs i get nailed nearly £130 a week in deductions. Maybe there should be an opt out scheme where as i can use my cash to go private.

Ps i dont begrudge the doctors the amount they earn,but even they acknowledge thet are onto a winner withthese new goverment contracts

Rabid

You don't pay over £130 a week to the NHS, a small proportion of that goes to it and an ever smaller proportion goes towards Doctors remuneration.

The 'opt out' comments go to prove my point about dumb Britain. Do you have any idea how much private medical insurance actually costs? Go and get a quote then pray the NHS continues ad infinitum.

You're getting a bargain at the moment with your comprehensive NHS insurance and long may it continue.

sti-04!!

Leave them alone, they work for what they get. I had to do 5 years training to get the qualifications i have now & i also do a part time college course to enable me to obtain an HND in something else. I earn a decent wedge & hope to earn more in the future but i dont have to deal with the general public.

Good on them i say & lets hope the go on to earn more in the future.

Some people whinge for **** all.

The Zohan

The government handled the negociations for the contracts badly and with little care or thought, the doctors professional body got the best deal for their members - nothing wrong with that. For example paytments are made for record keeping for things such as diabeties, blood pressure checks, etc. well that is just good practice and what all doctors do - Blair's lot got it wrong again and now he is covering by stating our doctors should be the best paid in Europe, well he is not wrong about that if it means we get the best.

kingofturds

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My main grudge is with the people clogging up the GP surgeries every time i go there i seems to be clogged up with tracksuit wearing chavs there to get signed off again so they can carry on claiming ther dole money without looking for work.
Am like a bear with a sore head because im in agony at the minute

The Zohan

Sorry to hear you are suffering!

Yes, waiting list are a problem but not down to the doc's

blot

Agreed and to add to that, Agenda for Change, the pay review has worked fantastically for consultants and medical colleagues and completely screwed some other health staff. And of course the bill for rebranding every PCT and SHA in England under the current reconfiguration will be how much including redundancy payments??????????

Sub97

Any would BUPA send out an ambulance to pick you up if you were in a car crash etc?

BUPA only covers part of what the NHS have to.

It's not the GP's I begrudge, it's the mass layers of middle management sucking money out of the NHS that could be spent on Doctors, nurses, facilities etc.

kingofturds

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If im in a car crash im gonna do it properly straight to the morgue

blot

Yes, the profitable part

I'd love to meet this mass layer some time, most of my colleagues in 'middle management' spend most of their day delivering clinical services due to absence, holidays or vacancies and then have to do their 'middle management' jobs on top of that.......of course the financial crisis that is looming in social care won't get as much press coverage......but hopefully it will.

TopBanana

Higher salaries will attract more doctors which will reduce your wait time. Would you rather these 14 year olds were on the pill, or claiming benefits for their offspring?

Considering the qualifications and hard work you need to put in to become a doctor, £100k doesn't sound like a lot against what a lawyer would earn.

New_scooby_04

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Drs are being paid 100K?!?!?!?

Someone owes me 75k for this year alone then!!!

Pay up ya stingy barstewards!!!! Scooby needs optimax!!

Ns04

kingofturds

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Id rather see their parents not letting them sleep around until they are at least at the legal age.

Tidgy

have to agree with you on this one mate, teach em to be more responsible

TopBanana

Wouldn't we all

andy97

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My inlaw is Gp. She is moving from a town to a rural practice, her income is going up from 90k to 125k+ bonus

Andy

New_scooby_04

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LOL I realy should have studied medicine rather than Psychology!!

Having a GF who studied medicine, I can tell you that they deserve every penny though! The training is hell and when you qualify, you're landed with all the sh*te 24/7 until you become more senior! Wouldn't wish that on anyone.....except maybe the ex!!

Signed Dr. Ns04 (25k PA)

PS If putting 14 year olds on the pill will net me 100k and the BMA don't mind, I'll happily do it!

john banks

The training isn't hell IMHO, very enjoyable. The medical school bit is quite easy for most with a low failure rate and not much intelligence required compared to proper subjects. When you qualify is when the real nightmare starts.

TopBanana

I have it on good authority that it oesn't get any easier... that's just what they tell the juniors!

New_scooby_04

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That's interesting John, my ex and all her mates hated it for the reasons you imply i.e. You just have to remember s*it loads out of text books- not really think about anything. Only when they started dealing with patients did they begin to enjoy it.....god help us, my ex, bless her, was a bit cold and impersonal!! Also, she never let me perform a physical on her!

We split up before she qualified (see above for reason ), but I do recall getting in touch with her after and hearing something about very, very long hours and being underpaid, appreciated etc...

I also heard some alarming stories about the treatment of cadavers (sp?) by medical students, including a game called "kiss the corpse"! I rather hope that's an urban myth!!

Ns04