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19 December 2005, 01:17 PM
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homeless people
Do you feel sorry for them....is it their own fault if theyre unwilling to move into hostels, etc.
are they a pain in the **** ???
are they a pain in the **** ???
19 December 2005, 01:26 PM
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Without knowing why they are homeless, it is difficult to say. Some I'm sure will have hard luck stories, however there will be a large number who through drink or drugs, are there because they chose to be and no I 'don't feel sorry for them.
My brother has just been kicked out of the hostel he was staying in, so I know a bit about this subject........No I don't feel sorry for him and when I saw him at the weekend I just wanted to hit him!!!
The families of these people are the real ones to feel sorry for. It is very hard for Mothers to see their children with no place to go, sleeping rough and stealing for a living.
My brother has just been kicked out of the hostel he was staying in, so I know a bit about this subject........No I don't feel sorry for him and when I saw him at the weekend I just wanted to hit him!!!
The families of these people are the real ones to feel sorry for. It is very hard for Mothers to see their children with no place to go, sleeping rough and stealing for a living.
19 December 2005, 01:27 PM
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filthy rats, get of the street.To be honest, I think alot of them are lazy gits who have chosen to be in the position theyre in. But theres obviously exceptions, those who want to get of the street at least try, selling the big issues etc, theres hostels to go to etc. Some people just dont want the help. we got a tramp in town, sits on the high street right outside a bakery, Ive known this bakery to be there for years (well at least 10) and its since closed down since hes been sitting outside there all hours with his loose dog too.
19 December 2005, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ140
Without knowing why they are homeless, it is difficult to say. Some I'm sure will have hard luck stories, however there will be a large number who through drink or drugs, are there because they chose to be and no I 'don't feel sorry for them.
My brother has just been kicked out of the hostel he was staying in, so I know a bit about this subject........No I don't feel sorry for him and when I saw him at the weekend I just wanted to hit him!!!
The families of these people are the real ones to feel sorry for. It is very hard for Mothers to see their children with no place to go, sleeping rough and stealing for a living.
My brother has just been kicked out of the hostel he was staying in, so I know a bit about this subject........No I don't feel sorry for him and when I saw him at the weekend I just wanted to hit him!!!
The families of these people are the real ones to feel sorry for. It is very hard for Mothers to see their children with no place to go, sleeping rough and stealing for a living.
I thin you hit the nail on the head pretty good!
19 December 2005, 08:05 PM
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My mother is a Nurse Practitioner with some kind of homeless setup. (yes I do show a lot of interest 
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Some of the stories she has of how some of them have come to be homeless are quite upsetting others even she feels are a drain on resources !
)Some of the stories she has of how some of them have come to be homeless are quite upsetting others even she feels are a drain on resources !
19 December 2005, 08:33 PM
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Homeless people are just like people with homes.You have good ones,bad ones,lazy ones,hard working ones,white ones,black ones,crazy ones,sane ones...etc.
The main difference is that they dont have a home.I judge people on merit,NOT on wether they have a house or not!
The main difference is that they dont have a home.I judge people on merit,NOT on wether they have a house or not!
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19 December 2005, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ140
Without knowing why they are homeless, it is difficult to say. Some I'm sure will have hard luck stories, however there will be a large number who through drink or drugs, are there because they chose to be and no I 'don't feel sorry for them.
My brother has just been kicked out of the hostel he was staying in, so I know a bit about this subject........No I don't feel sorry for him and when I saw him at the weekend I just wanted to hit him!!!
The families of these people are the real ones to feel sorry for. It is very hard for Mothers to see their children with no place to go, sleeping rough and stealing for a living.
My brother has just been kicked out of the hostel he was staying in, so I know a bit about this subject........No I don't feel sorry for him and when I saw him at the weekend I just wanted to hit him!!!
The families of these people are the real ones to feel sorry for. It is very hard for Mothers to see their children with no place to go, sleeping rough and stealing for a living.
I find it difficult to see how people can actually get into this situation tbh.
19 December 2005, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
I find it difficult to see how people can actually get into this situation tbh.
19 December 2005, 10:16 PM
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some "apperent" homeless arsehole was hassling me in amsterdam this weekend gone
following me around trying to sell me sum paper
was nice to him at first and let him say his bit, then when he kept walking after us rabbiting on about "most people dont want a paper but it helps out us homeless" i told him to **** off
WTF do i want a dutch paper for? i cant speak/read dutch
****en scruffy toerag, worst bit was he did not even "seam" dutch to us, perfect english accent etc etc
i once give a "tramp" a tenner just before christmas a good few years ago, actually made me feel quite decent when i did it, then everybody had a go at me as he was "bound to spend it on booze and drugs"
looking back it was probably the wrong thing to do
if i was in the position that i had nothing, i would do any job i could to make sum cash, i would scrub toilets for cash in hand stuff if it helped me get off the streets.
following me around trying to sell me sum paper
was nice to him at first and let him say his bit, then when he kept walking after us rabbiting on about "most people dont want a paper but it helps out us homeless" i told him to **** off
WTF do i want a dutch paper for? i cant speak/read dutch
****en scruffy toerag, worst bit was he did not even "seam" dutch to us, perfect english accent etc etc
i once give a "tramp" a tenner just before christmas a good few years ago, actually made me feel quite decent when i did it, then everybody had a go at me as he was "bound to spend it on booze and drugs"
looking back it was probably the wrong thing to do
if i was in the position that i had nothing, i would do any job i could to make sum cash, i would scrub toilets for cash in hand stuff if it helped me get off the streets.
19 December 2005, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
I pity you, paul-s. You must be feeling pretty **** about yourself to want to give the most unfortunate people in society a kicking.
What i do not like are those that beg and steal to buy ****, sit in your way and annoy you, and those that will not move into a roof under their head out of preference for the streets
care to enlighten me ?
19 December 2005, 11:11 PM
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Why would they have a roof *under* their heads? That wouldn't protect them from the elements.
And why do I need to enlighten you? You didn't ask me a question.
Come on, fella. Tell us why you feel that people who for one reason or another are homeless are worthy of this thread. You started it, let's hear your philosophy. Is it enough that they annoy you because they get in your way? Perhaps you could get a group of like-minded associates together and "move them on".
And why do I need to enlighten you? You didn't ask me a question.
Come on, fella. Tell us why you feel that people who for one reason or another are homeless are worthy of this thread. You started it, let's hear your philosophy. Is it enough that they annoy you because they get in your way? Perhaps you could get a group of like-minded associates together and "move them on".
19 December 2005, 11:18 PM
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Over, under - all the same
The tramps iv come across recently just sit there and drink, smoke and stink. I feel sorry for those that are in a bad situation but what does get on my nips are those that stand and sell the big issue then go and buy 10 stella's. They look at you like you havent got a heart !!
The opportunity can be there to go into hostels but they refuse and hog benches instead
The tramps iv come across recently just sit there and drink, smoke and stink. I feel sorry for those that are in a bad situation but what does get on my nips are those that stand and sell the big issue then go and buy 10 stella's. They look at you like you havent got a heart !!
The opportunity can be there to go into hostels but they refuse and hog benches instead
19 December 2005, 11:20 PM
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There does seem to be a few "pseudo-homeless" who sit & beg on streets to make money, and they do seem to make quite a bit for it....albeit by having to beg to attain this, which has to be demeaning. This certainly used to be the case in Edinburgh, but don't know if these types have "moved on".
However, aside from these "psuedo-homeless", I don't believe that anyone would CHOOSE to live their life on a street day and , especially, night. I'm sure the majority have rather sad & unfortunate backgrounds, maybe of their own making, and more than probably difficult to recover from.
Quite easy, I imagine, to sit in your warm comfy sofa at night and point out the error of their ways, and ask really how hard would it be to pick up a job in the morning to allow one to sort out their lifes once & for all.
The problem is social background, mental issues, and physical barriers once a member of the "vagrant society". The welfare state as I understand it is there to help them, but often the rules that go along with that just don't seem to fit in. Their fault? Difficult to apportion blame.
The point is, solving the problem of the "homeless" isn't quite as simple as a warm bed, a job, and some food. Be nice if it was.
However, aside from these "psuedo-homeless", I don't believe that anyone would CHOOSE to live their life on a street day and , especially, night. I'm sure the majority have rather sad & unfortunate backgrounds, maybe of their own making, and more than probably difficult to recover from.
Quite easy, I imagine, to sit in your warm comfy sofa at night and point out the error of their ways, and ask really how hard would it be to pick up a job in the morning to allow one to sort out their lifes once & for all.
The problem is social background, mental issues, and physical barriers once a member of the "vagrant society". The welfare state as I understand it is there to help them, but often the rules that go along with that just don't seem to fit in. Their fault? Difficult to apportion blame.
The point is, solving the problem of the "homeless" isn't quite as simple as a warm bed, a job, and some food. Be nice if it was.
19 December 2005, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by paul-s
The opportunity can be there to go into hostels but they refuse and hog benches instead
The trouble is, hostels have to have rules just like anywhere else in society. Combine a hostel full of people with mental/alcohol/drug issues, and you can't let it run as an anarchy. Rules have to be in place. Maybe life is just easier without rules at that level. Who knows.
Sadly, if you're at the lowest of the low in terms of society, what respect do you have for rules? Combine some mental issues (depression, addiction, self-esteem etc), throw in some physical traits (addiction, etc), and you've not got a bunch of people who are highly motivated to escape from this demeaning cycle.
Perhaps that is why a bench is more appealing.....have a wee think about it.
19 December 2005, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by paul-s
It just made me think seeing it on the news, that why are they not eager to do something about their situation ??
Ever not been able to see life beyond your next can of Special Brew?
Ever not been able to wonder what life is like without heroin?
Ever not seen the point of life?
19 December 2005, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
Ever been severely depressed?
Ever not been able to see life beyond your next can of Special Brew?
Ever not been able to wonder what life is like without heroin?
Ever not seen the point of life?
Ever not been able to see life beyond your next can of Special Brew?
Ever not been able to wonder what life is like without heroin?
Ever not seen the point of life?
19 December 2005, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by paul-s
It just made me think seeing it on the news, that why are they not eager to do something about their situation ??
19 December 2005, 11:43 PM
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As others have said I see it as two types, those who are spunging and choose to be doing it and those who very unfortunate individuals who deserve a lot of help. London is full of both types especially around London Bridge. Travelling daily through there you get to distinguish between the two types and the genuine ones in need of help were a very sad sight to see. Seeing new ones appear, especially youngsters made me think what a waste of life as without someone helping them soon they would likely be on the same road as the others and throwing their lives away with booze and drugs. You can only guess at whats caused them to choose to be there rather than at home and all I can say it must be horrendous at home for them to choose to be homeless, cold, wet and hungry on a daily basis. One regular on London Bridge itself lost so much weight over the months I walked past him. No matter what the weather was he was there. One day I saw an ambulance there and a heap under a blanket where he would usually be sitting being attended to. It was a very sad sight 
I just hope he was OK. I don't go through that way anymore so don't know if he is still there.
Its people like him that need this Governments help. Instead of helping abroad the Government should be helping these people first and only worrying about foreign issues once issues at home have been resolved. It makes me so angry to see money spent on foreigners when there are British people who need help and are being ignored
I just hope he was OK. I don't go through that way anymore so don't know if he is still there.Its people like him that need this Governments help. Instead of helping abroad the Government should be helping these people first and only worrying about foreign issues once issues at home have been resolved. It makes me so angry to see money spent on foreigners when there are British people who need help and are being ignored
20 December 2005, 03:00 AM
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Too bad more people cannot be made aware of this thread.
Excellent responses from many of you.
When intellect and compassion are combined there are great possibilities within the human race.
Unfortunately, it seems that the uncaring and self centered are in control of most of the world.
Excellent responses from many of you.
When intellect and compassion are combined there are great possibilities within the human race.
Unfortunately, it seems that the uncaring and self centered are in control of most of the world.
20 December 2005, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
DJ140, how did your brother get into the situation hes in? I mean, what led to him becoming homeless?
I find it difficult to see how people can actually get into this situation tbh.
I find it difficult to see how people can actually get into this situation tbh.
My parents have supported him as much as possible for 15 years, but have now concluded that he is not capable of giving up his "lifestyle" and no longer provide him with anything.
20 December 2005, 09:45 AM
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How many people as kids ever thought they we're hard done by and thought about running away when looking back on it was a stupid thing to think off..... Some kids had more b0ll0cks than others and will actually run away, before they know it they introduced into a life of drugs, begging, booze etc and they get lost in the world of the homeless.
It happens, these people didnt need to be homeless but once your there I understand how hard it is to get out of it again, self pride effects alot of these people.
There are people from all ways of life who get dragged into poor situations and alot of them do not help themselves and expect others to do it for them.
Would you put someone up in your house to do a good deed? bet you wouldnt.
It happens, these people didnt need to be homeless but once your there I understand how hard it is to get out of it again, self pride effects alot of these people.
There are people from all ways of life who get dragged into poor situations and alot of them do not help themselves and expect others to do it for them.
Would you put someone up in your house to do a good deed? bet you wouldnt.
20 December 2005, 10:11 AM
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Personally I feel sorry for them everytime I see them. They are in a downward spiral with no way out.
Its easy to judge when you have a nice warm house, car, food, etc.
No I dont know their circumstances and to be honest i'm sure alot of them are pretty dire. It doesn't stop me from feeling bad about it when I see them though. I also throw them the odd 50p every now and then. If they spend it on beer thats up to them.......
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Its easy to judge when you have a nice warm house, car, food, etc.
No I dont know their circumstances and to be honest i'm sure alot of them are pretty dire. It doesn't stop me from feeling bad about it when I see them though. I also throw them the odd 50p every now and then. If they spend it on beer thats up to them.......
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20 December 2005, 10:25 AM
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I feel sorry for them in the main. I used to be of the mindset that they should try and better themselves, but as Gary says its easy for us to say that when we have homes, a base from where to better ourselves.
If you have nothing, and live on the streets how are you supposed to get a job?
Think about it, you're living rough, you smell and have 1 set of clothes, what would you physically do to change your life? You cant get spruced up and go for a job interview, you probably have no friends and family for help, and IMO its just a downward spiral.
It is sad, but on the other hand its just how society works. We could all share what we have, but then the tables would turn.
If you have nothing, and live on the streets how are you supposed to get a job?
Think about it, you're living rough, you smell and have 1 set of clothes, what would you physically do to change your life? You cant get spruced up and go for a job interview, you probably have no friends and family for help, and IMO its just a downward spiral.
It is sad, but on the other hand its just how society works. We could all share what we have, but then the tables would turn.
20 December 2005, 10:58 AM
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Think about it, you're living rough, you smell and have 1 set of clothes, what would you physically do to change your life?
Steal another set of clothes?!
Steal another set of clothes?!
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
Hardly making a better life for yourself though is it, and if they get caught even worse.