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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon
It appears that our friends at Truvelo (www.truvelo.com) make make sniper rifles and many other firearms. Is this the same company that makes certain cameras we all know and love so much? Is your speeding fine going, in part, to a weapons company? I'm not certain so I'd love to start a discussion and some research on this.
Originally Posted by Ziltro
I saw a while ago that they made amour and thought this would mean their camera houses would be harder to destroy than Gatsos! I didn't realise they also made weapons...

From http://www.truvelouk.com: "Truvelo (UK) is a subsidiary of Truvelo Manufacturers (Pty) Ltd in S Africa"

From http://www.truvelo.com/legal.html: "Truvelo Manufacturers. P O Box 14183, Lyttleton 0140, South Africa."

Yes, they are the same company.

Why are my local police force funding arms manufacturers?
So, given that official policy is that speeding fines are used to buy more cameras, and the front facing Truvelo camera is now more popular than the old gatso, that means that when you pay your 60 quid, some of it will be going to a South African arms manufacturer.

In a 45-page report released today, "A Question of Principle: Arms Trade and Human Rights," Human Rights Watch charged the South African government with selling weapons to countries with serious human rights problems, where an influx of weaponry could significantly worsen ongoing abuses.
Human Rights Watch noted that after 1994, South Africa announced more restrictive policies on arms transfers. But the report charges that those policies are not always being followed. In 1994, a scandal erupted involving the sale by Armscor, the apartheid-era governmental arms export agency, of weapons to Yemen for probable on-shipment to the former Yugoslavia, then under U.N. embargo.
I wonder if they sell to Iran too?
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 04:33 PM
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http://www.truvelo.co.za/armoury/a_401.html - where their weapons are used... Not Iran though.

I didn't know they were the ones who made the Neostead auto-shotty!
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 04:36 PM
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If you do some digging, you will find that Dawoo were also an arms manufacturer,

didnt see that anywhere when they were doing cars did you


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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 04:37 PM
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I also note from that page that they sell to Zimbabwe and Korea. They don't state which Korea and I know if it were me and I was selling to South Korea, I'd want to make the point pretty clearly that it's South Korea, and not Kim Jong Il

Edit: and no, but there is a difference between were and arms manufacturer and are currently an arms manufacturer. Subaru used to make aircraft for the Japanese military back in the war.
Truvelo are currently shipping arms to countries with known human rights violations (Zimbabwe) and the UK police are funding them with your speeding fines

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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 04:46 PM
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And BMW and Mercedes I'm pretty sure made German military vehicles in WW2, yadda yadda.
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 04:49 PM
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And BMW and Mercedes I'm pretty sure made German military vehicles in WW2, yadda yadda.
So did SKODA!!!!
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 04:58 PM
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and Porsche (Tiger Tanks)
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 05:12 PM
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Well Subaru made Fighter Aircraft in WW2. They were one of the manufacturers of the Zero!
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 05:16 PM
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You lot are missing the point. Lots of people did bad things during the war, but Truvelo are still in the business of selling arms to dodgy african reigemes(sp?) today.
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Lum
You lot are missing the point. Lots of people did bad things during the war, but Truvelo are still in the business of selling arms to dodgy african reigemes(sp?) today.
Sorry Lum, its pretty much a fact that the powers that are, will just do what they want. Thats why the likes of Truvelo and others reward the odd ex politician with those 300k a year for five days work jobs. Oil and weapons my friend, we civilised nations specialise in such business and our 'democratic' system aint never going to get out of such business. You can pretty much guarantee that there is a scumbag with a knighthood out there that would have got a nice fat kickback from Truvelo for such a deal. I personally will catch up with these scumbags when I get to the 'darkside' and get Bruce lee on my side of the pitch.
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 06:51 PM
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And Saab make a soddding great war attack plane, who do they sell to?? They are proud of their aicraft heratige.

There are quite a few compaines out there that have an "arms" wing, get used to it.
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Originally Posted by CyprusScooby
Well Subaru made Fighter Aircraft in WW2. They were one of the manufacturers of the Zero!
Almost - Mitsubishi made the Zero, but Subaru made the engines - didn't realise that!
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Originally Posted by Kevin Greeley
Almost - Mitsubishi made the Zero, but Subaru made the engines - didn't realise that!
I would have thought it would have been better off with an EVO engine....
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