Roll cages and track days
24 November 2005, 04:18 PM
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Roll cages and track days
A mate and i are building ourselves a pair of track day cars on a budget. pug 106 and scirocco gts.
i suggested building our own roll cages. does anyone know if there are any rules that state if it's got a cage it's got to meet certain regulations? also what about when it's mot time. reason for this is they would be driven to the track and back again.
please don't think that it would be a botch job. it would be calculated and welded correctly. we just don't have any knoledge of track day regs.
in now way will the car be entered into races. just purely for some track day fun instead of killing his e30 m3 and my scooby.
i suggested building our own roll cages. does anyone know if there are any rules that state if it's got a cage it's got to meet certain regulations? also what about when it's mot time. reason for this is they would be driven to the track and back again.
please don't think that it would be a botch job. it would be calculated and welded correctly. we just don't have any knoledge of track day regs.
in now way will the car be entered into races. just purely for some track day fun instead of killing his e30 m3 and my scooby.
24 November 2005, 04:41 PM
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If your not racing, you dont need a roll cage.
If you DO feel you need a roll cage, then take some pics and measurements of exsisting installs. Making a note of where the cages were fixed to the car and how etc.
If you know of a race car like your track car, then even better.
If you DO feel you need a roll cage, then take some pics and measurements of exsisting installs. Making a note of where the cages were fixed to the car and how etc.
If you know of a race car like your track car, then even better.
24 November 2005, 04:43 PM
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I feel guilty now. It's an old joke that'll never die.
Look here for info though. http://www.safetydevices.com/content/view/16/38/
Look here for info though. http://www.safetydevices.com/content/view/16/38/
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24 November 2005, 04:45 PM
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would just be more for looks but also to help with reducing body flex really. although that said i guess front and rear strutt braces would help with that.
seen a few pics for 106 cages but i doubt i'll find anything for the scirocco.
seen a few pics for 106 cages but i doubt i'll find anything for the scirocco.
24 November 2005, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoon
I feel guilty now. It's an old joke that'll never die.
Look here for info though. =http://www.safetydevices.com/content/view/16/38/
Look here for info though. =http://www.safetydevices.com/content/view/16/38/
can't get the link to work.
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24 November 2005, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip Sengravy
"Hey look everbody, I added 75 pointless kilos to my track car!"
24 November 2005, 05:25 PM
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So; whilst having no odea what youre doing at all; you are goiong to add all of this superflous weight above the centre of gravity? I would let it go if I were you.
24 November 2005, 06:11 PM
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The simple answer is that you have no idea what you are doing, in every respect. You are going to compromise the handling of your vehicle and compromise your own personal safety in a pointless excercise to make you car (in your misguided opinion) 'look better'.
If you *must* install a rollover bar then at least fit a professionally manufactured one, constructed to MSA guidelines out of cold dran seamless tube. Before you do yopu need to research the different types of fitment and understand how they will affect you and the vehicle in the event of an accident. The very least you will need to do is to fit proper racing seats (not Mickey Mouse ****e) and harnesses seeing that theyre fitted low enough to ensure that you wont hit the A to B pillar cross-pieces and kill yourself in the event of a small accident! Id liken what youve proposed so far to stupid ****e that McDonalds carparks fools do but, its actually worse. Im sorry to have to be so blunt.
Simon
If you *must* install a rollover bar then at least fit a professionally manufactured one, constructed to MSA guidelines out of cold dran seamless tube. Before you do yopu need to research the different types of fitment and understand how they will affect you and the vehicle in the event of an accident. The very least you will need to do is to fit proper racing seats (not Mickey Mouse ****e) and harnesses seeing that theyre fitted low enough to ensure that you wont hit the A to B pillar cross-pieces and kill yourself in the event of a small accident! Id liken what youve proposed so far to stupid ****e that McDonalds carparks fools do but, its actually worse. Im sorry to have to be so blunt.
Simon
24 November 2005, 08:43 PM
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Try sticking bicycle inner tubes against your windows, they'll look like cds, be light, be easy to put in & take out, also your head will bounce off if you trash it.
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24 November 2005, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
The simple answer is that you have no idea what you are doing, in every respect. You are going to compromise the handling of your vehicle and compromise your own personal safety in a pointless excercise to make you car (in your misguided opinion) 'look better'.
If you *must* install a rollover bar then at least fit a professionally manufactured one, constructed to MSA guidelines out of cold dran seamless tube. Before you do yopu need to research the different types of fitment and understand how they will affect you and the vehicle in the event of an accident. The very least you will need to do is to fit proper racing seats (not Mickey Mouse ****e) and harnesses seeing that theyre fitted low enough to ensure that you wont hit the A to B pillar cross-pieces and kill yourself in the event of a small accident! Id liken what youve proposed so far to stupid ****e that McDonalds carparks fools do but, its actually worse. Im sorry to have to be so blunt.
Simon
If you *must* install a rollover bar then at least fit a professionally manufactured one, constructed to MSA guidelines out of cold dran seamless tube. Before you do yopu need to research the different types of fitment and understand how they will affect you and the vehicle in the event of an accident. The very least you will need to do is to fit proper racing seats (not Mickey Mouse ****e) and harnesses seeing that theyre fitted low enough to ensure that you wont hit the A to B pillar cross-pieces and kill yourself in the event of a small accident! Id liken what youve proposed so far to stupid ****e that McDonalds carparks fools do but, its actually worse. Im sorry to have to be so blunt.
Simon
if you wanted to express your opinion you could have simply said it's not worth risking injury if you have not fabricated one before. my advise would be to purcahse a professionaly made one.
24 November 2005, 10:12 PM
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Youre probably right, but you did say this after all:
...and Ive had a long day.
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Originally Posted by mneame
would just be more for looks
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25 November 2005, 10:34 AM
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Rather like you are being now? Having made a post as stupid as you did; Id keep quiet rather than bringing it to peoples attention again.
25 November 2005, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Granby
Didn't think he was being rude but pointing out some very good reasons for fitting a professionally manufactured roll cage.
25 November 2005, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by mneame
the points were good and valued but it was all the crap that seems to spring up on here about some impreza owners hanging round macdonalds and basically slagging me off when he doesn't even know me that was what i found rude.
Chill, it's just scoobynet.
25 November 2005, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mneame
the points were good and valued but it was all the crap that seems to spring up on here about some impreza owners hanging round macdonalds and basically slagging me off when he doesn't even know me that was what i found rude.
, so what have you decided to do in the end, personally if your serious about your track days then i would fit a roll cage. 
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25 November 2005, 11:53 AM
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Find a cheap used cage. Can be had for nowt.
Look on eBay - i do believe there is one on there right now!! Search "rollcage" and "roll cage". I missed one by not searching the latter.
Cages aren't just for safety or simply a requirement for racing, they make the car so stiff, feels brilliant when fitted.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROLLCAGE-CITRO...QQcmdZViewItem
As an example....
Might be a better quality one, used, E.G Safety devices.
Look on eBay - i do believe there is one on there right now!! Search "rollcage" and "roll cage". I missed one by not searching the latter.
Cages aren't just for safety or simply a requirement for racing, they make the car so stiff, feels brilliant when fitted.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROLLCAGE-CITRO...QQcmdZViewItem
As an example....
Might be a better quality one, used, E.G Safety devices.
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25 November 2005, 12:25 PM
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If you do fit a cage, fit a proper one or forget it.
http://0po.de/ID_111754.php
And if you do, then please make sure you wear a helmet when driving, it may not look "cool" but neither does a brain splattered dashboard
http://0po.de/ID_111754.php
And if you do, then please make sure you wear a helmet when driving, it may not look "cool" but neither does a brain splattered dashboard
25 November 2005, 12:41 PM
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If you do fit a cage, fit a proper one or forget it.
http://0po.de/ID_111754.php
And if you do, then please make sure you wear a helmet when driving, it may not look "cool" but neither does a brain splattered dashboard
http://0po.de/ID_111754.php
And if you do, then please make sure you wear a helmet when driving, it may not look "cool" but neither does a brain splattered dashboard
25 November 2005, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mneame
cheers for the link. there's a few other bits on there that are interesting.
http://www.sandtler.de/inhalt_index.htm
25 November 2005, 01:35 PM
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Having had myself saved from serious injury on more than one occasion by proper cages, trust me, it's not worth building your own. Proper CDS isn't cheap unless you're in the trade, so the chances are it'll end up costing more than a bought one. It's an absolute ******* to work unless you've got the gear and unless you've got some experience of welding the chances are it won't get stuck together properly.
Echoing the comment about the helmet, never EVER use inertia reel seat belts in a car with a cage, they may stop you exiting the car, but they aren't going to stop you mashing extremities against very unforgiving steelwork
Having had myself saved from serious injury on more than one occasion by proper cages, trust me, it's not worth building your own. Proper CDS isn't cheap unless you're in the trade, so the chances are it'll end up costing more than a bought one. It's an absolute ******* to work unless you've got the gear and unless you've got some experience of welding the chances are it won't get stuck together properly.
Echoing the comment about the helmet, never EVER use inertia reel seat belts in a car with a cage, they may stop you exiting the car, but they aren't going to stop you mashing extremities against very unforgiving steelwork