Fuel Protest
07 September 2005, 12:54 PM
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Fuel Protest
No, not another lame exhortation to boycott Shell petrol stations or whatever.
It looks as though there may be some proper '2000 style' fuel protests on the horizon organised by the same people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4221296.stm
I wonder if the threat will be enough to make the government back down.
It looks as though there may be some proper '2000 style' fuel protests on the horizon organised by the same people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4221296.stm
"When does the country have to stand up and say, 'look, come on, this is too much Mr Blair'?"
07 September 2005, 01:01 PM
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The government haven't changed the duty or their position since 2000 (That's FIVE years ago) so why demonstrate now? The rise since 2000 has nothing to do with the duty. By all means, make any demonstration against the duty that is on fuel but half the cost of fuel is not duty so even if you scrapped duty altogether, it'll not be long before the cost is back up anyway (as explained in previous posts). This ultimately can only help matters in the short term.
Anyway, most people are still using their cars as much as they used to so, although expensive, clearly it's not 'too' expensive for most.
Anyway, most people are still using their cars as much as they used to so, although expensive, clearly it's not 'too' expensive for most.
07 September 2005, 01:39 PM
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Yep....since petrol was 70p/litre to the current £1/litre, the revenue to the goverment has increased by 8%, but the revenue to the oil companies has gone up by 208%.
Hmmm....
Hmmm....
07 September 2005, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
Yep....since petrol was 70p/litre to the current £1/litre, the revenue to the goverment has increased by 8%, but the revenue to the oil companies has gone up by 208%.
Hmmm....
Hmmm....
07 September 2005, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
63p to the government for doing absolutely nothing compared to 37p to the oil companies to cover the cost of extraction and production!
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07 September 2005, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
63p to the government for doing absolutely nothing compared to 37p to the oil companies to cover the cost of extraction and production!
Same rigs/refineries as when 12p.
07 September 2005, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
please please please please please please please please READ the other threads which explains why the costs are higher.
07 September 2005, 02:00 PM
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Thing is, when you show people a graphic such as this
What are they expected to think? It looks as though the lion's share of the cost is pure taxation (and it is!!) so clearly people are going to say that's the area that needs reviewing in the light of CWEs
What are they expected to think? It looks as though the lion's share of the cost is pure taxation (and it is!!) so clearly people are going to say that's the area that needs reviewing in the light of CWEs
07 September 2005, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Thing is, when you show people a graphic such as this
What are they expected to think? It looks as though the lion's share of the cost is pure taxation (and it is!!) so clearly people are going to say that's the area that needs reviewing in the light of CWEs
What are they expected to think? It looks as though the lion's share of the cost is pure taxation (and it is!!) so clearly people are going to say that's the area that needs reviewing in the light of CWEs
Also the piece of pie for tax is now % wise a lot smaller
07 September 2005, 02:10 PM
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Dracoro - was merely trying to get across to the ppl about who's getting the lions share of the recent rises...
For instance, crude has gone up from $35 to $70 (100% rise), yet oil companies are taking 208% more at the pump.....
Goverment revenue has risen by 8%.
Who's the bad guy?
For instance, crude has gone up from $35 to $70 (100% rise), yet oil companies are taking 208% more at the pump.....
Goverment revenue has risen by 8%.
Who's the bad guy?
07 September 2005, 02:15 PM
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I agree. I was wary of those thinking that it was just the oil companies deciding they 'wanted more profit'. 
Interestingly, the cost of motoring has hardly risen in the last 5 years, esp compared to public transport.
%age wise, we are paying less tax on fuel than we have for a long time
Across europe, there not 'that' much between countries
As I stated in other threads, in the medium and long term, the prices are only gonna go one way, especially considering the demands of countries such as China, India etc. on the worlds fuel 'pool'
Interestingly, the cost of motoring has hardly risen in the last 5 years, esp compared to public transport.
%age wise, we are paying less tax on fuel than we have for a long time
Across europe, there not 'that' much between countries
As I stated in other threads, in the medium and long term, the prices are only gonna go one way, especially considering the demands of countries such as China, India etc. on the worlds fuel 'pool'
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07 September 2005, 02:16 PM
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Well, you can nitpick over the detail but the pattern is clear. Here is the rub, and quite rightly. IMO this is a rip off:
The motorist is charged VAT on the whole amount including the fuel duty - not purely on the cost of the fuel. Meaning that we are paying VAT on the Tax as well as the petrol. That ain't right!!
The motorist is charged VAT on the whole amount including the fuel duty - not purely on the cost of the fuel. Meaning that we are paying VAT on the Tax as well as the petrol. That ain't right!!
07 September 2005, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Well, you can nitpick over the detail but the pattern is clear. Here is the rub, and quite rightly. IMO this is a rip off:
The motorist is charged VAT on the whole amount including the fuel duty - not purely on the cost of the fuel. Meaning that we pay VAT on the Tax as well as the petrol. That ain't right!!
The motorist is charged VAT on the whole amount including the fuel duty - not purely on the cost of the fuel. Meaning that we pay VAT on the Tax as well as the petrol. That ain't right!!
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07 September 2005, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
No, but it's always been like that, and is the same for anything you pay duty on - beer/wine/spirits/****/fuel etc.....
07 September 2005, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
But you can't say it right just because 'it's always been like that'. New Labour are supposed to reform things. What a great opportunity they have here.....
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07 September 2005, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
Yep...and VAT would have to up if it changed. Budget deficit and all that.
07 September 2005, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
That's a different subject. We already have a massive New Labour budget deficit and we are 'taxed out'. Time they started saving money instead of wasting so much on their various madcap ideas such as wars, pointless public sector 'jobs for votes' etc etc...
The two are linked sadly.
07 September 2005, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
If it's a different subject, then you can't just say "bring the tax down" then
The two are linked sadly.
The two are linked sadly.
If I said anything it would be stop the New Labour wasting of tax payers money.
Oh yea, and it's all Blair's fault (of course).
07 September 2005, 02:30 PM
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Well it won't be long before real increases start to hurt us. Peak oil production is only a few years away.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4077802.stm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4077802.stm
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07 September 2005, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
Yep...and VAT (or some other taxation) would have to increase if it changed. You can't just simply remove one form of taxtion and not replace it elsewhere as it leaves a budget hole.
Stop being a blinkered, evidently brainwashed advocate of a ****ty system. Look after your brothers........not your masters!
07 September 2005, 02:39 PM
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"Every time the fuel companies have raised the price of fuel, taxation inadvertently has risen with it."
Inadvertently my ar$e!
Someone is laughing all the way to the treasury!
"Every time the fuel companies have raised the price of fuel, taxation inadvertently has risen with it."
Inadvertently my ar$e!
Someone is laughing all the way to the treasury!
07 September 2005, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
I demand the same price as Guernsey. 42p
30p to the oil companies, 12p to the government. That's fair.
30p to the oil companies, 12p to the government. That's fair.
so they would get £4.80 from me in 1 week
plus my £98.00 Tax on my wages aswell a week, i think thats enough for what every they use it for???
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07 September 2005, 02:56 PM
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what about the uk's oil in the north sea the government is profiting from too because of the hike in oil prices??
the government is making a double killing.
extra £ from the vat on increased petrol prices
extra £ from increased oil barrel prices from the uk's reserves in the north sea
Sod it im buying a sinclair C5....you can buy em from ebay for £300
the government is making a double killing.
extra £ from the vat on increased petrol prices
extra £ from increased oil barrel prices from the uk's reserves in the north sea
Sod it im buying a sinclair C5....you can buy em from ebay for £300