TruthHurts

Let me be the first to suggest that if you can't afford it then you should try walking. Failing that get something you can afford to run. Fuel is cheap in relation to it's true cost and the value we get from it.
The question of taxation is a red herring. You can't afford it? Don't want to pay? Get on your bike.

davegtt

Yup, I do believe anyone who owns a performance car doesnt have the right to moan about fuel prices IMO.... If its too expensive buy something more sensible... If we all ran 70mpg cars we'd all use alot less fuel and we'd all be reducing the governments funding, it'd be interesting then where they'd go to get the increase in money

baz69birds

im a postman, i ride a bike to work, i walk a duty & then i ride home.
i use my car (as can only afford 1 car) for shopping, car meets, car shows, days out with kiddies, popping over to see friends etc..
as all my friends live miles miles aways its pointless walking & you try & get a 3 year old, a wife with a bad back & a 6 month old kid to ride a bike

TruthHurts

So what? Get a better job or a cheaper car to run and stop whinging about the reality of the situation (assuming you are). I'm afraid you having children, wife's illness and the fact your mates live miles away aren't a reason for providing you and people like you with cheap fuel. Either you can afford it or you can't. If not discover some alternatives, if you can't then welcome to the real world.
May I suggest the 3L Lupo might cut your costs?

JTaylor

At least he's not had to hide behind an annonymous user name in order to express true feelings - and don't get the hump, the Truth Hurts.

paulr

93.9 at Morrisons,its virtually a daily rise

imlach

Mr Taylor,

I refer you to earlier discussions. I have never voted for NL, nor have I been brainwashed by anyone of authority. No-one has ever liked taxation, and while I agree that there are things funded by goverment that I care little about, I recognise that there are others that care little about the things I care about.

I try to help my "brothers" by presenting the true facts & figures behind energy usage & pricing, but none of them like to consider the whole picture, nor the detrimental impact of their resource driven lives. They prefer the version written in The Sun every day True facts are hardly "blinkered".

As stated before, if you don't like the system, what are you doing to rectify the situation? Why not aim to govern rather than protest if you think the job being done is so awful and that you truly believe you can do better.

So. Why not?

ajm

I believe you. You are Lib Dem through and through!

imlach

Never voted for them either

ajm

Not raving mad green party?

imlach

Nope.

ajm

Wouldn't it just be easier if you told us, then we can put that one to bed!

ajm - Conservative.

TruthHurts

Wrong and wronger. Sounds like dumb and dumber the scoobynet boys.
I am new, I waslinked to this from another forum where we are laughing at the scooby boys and their whinging.

MattOz

I believe that Mr. JTaylor has hit the nail firmly on the head. Too many spongers and too much apathy in government to do anything about it. So, hospitals, schools and councils are short staffed are they? Get some of the work shy, benefit cheating, scrounging scum cleaning streets and toilets and see how long the remain on the dole or incapacity benefit.

You want to have kids but don't work? Fine. We'll be soft and cover the cost of one, and maybe a second at 50%, but if you carry on, then you'll get no additional benefit form the state.

And if you complain that you're skint, stop smoking, stop getting hammered on wife beater, stop your Sky subscription and send back your 42" plasma to Dixons. Oh, and tell the missus that Elizabeth Duke at Argos really doesn't suit her.

Once this government stops creating a country of increasing mediocrity, and pi$$ing money up the wall, then maybe they'll be able to lower taxes and your Optimax will be cheaper.

I believe the problem this country faces is far deeper than just the fact that oil's risen by a few percent.

Matt

imlach

So either stand for parliment yourself, or persuade the majority to vote for someone who will do something about the issues that affect you most.

TruthHurts

Message to all scooby owners judging by the trash that drive them round here.

MattOz

LOL. You might say that, but I couldn't possibly comment

JTaylor

I am a socially concious libertarian and will campaign unwaveringly on behalf of those who I feel are unable to fend for themselves. I am happy to see taxpayers money spent on an abundance of causes. Whether they be cultural, social or defense based I will happily contribute (via the chancellor) providing they are to the benefit of me, my family, my friends or my brothers. My anger manifests as a result of seeing my (read our) cash spent on those "services" which have a negative effect upon my life.

[/QUOTE] I try to help my "brothers" by presenting the true facts & figures behind energy usage & pricing, but none of them like to consider the whole picture, nor the detrimental impact of their resource driven lives. They prefer the version written in The Sun every day [/QUOTE]

You present facts in an intelligent, well considered way. Others may not be fortunate enough to have your skill with the language or indeed your undoubted and accurate knowledge of all things economic. You must be cautious however, when reffering to people that choose to read the redtops. Often, the readership instinctively knows when something is just not right.


[/QUOTE]As stated before, if you don't like the system, what are you doing to rectify the situation? Why not aim to govern rather than protest if you think the job being done is so awful and that you truly believe you can do better.

So. Why not?[/QUOTE]
I am neither qualified or capable enough to govern. Even If I were, as you are fully aware, many hurdles would prevent progress. The highest of these would be that my political assertions are driven by passion and heartfelt beliefs and not the ruthless and all consuming desire for power that characterises the leaders of the western world.

Back to basics. Outside of friends and family, my greatest passion in this world is driving powerful internal combustion engined machines with a penchant for despensing effectively with corners. This is costly, I know that. It's frustrating, the pleasure to be had from OUR roads is quickly being erroded by the government WHICH ACT ON OUR BEHALF and I have swallowed this until now. We are subject to additional tax for which I always pay. Most performance car owners can afford to do so through hard work, which carries with it the promise of higher tax and national insurance....and so on, and so on.

Given all of the above, if I lived in a country which was warm and welcoming, had high levels of public service, a good road system, a fair approach to justice (not giving car thieves a weeks banger racing and my mum a £60 fine and 3 pts for doing 35 in a 30), sound policing and the kind of engineered culture which eliminated the need for Big Brother and his trappings - then I'd happily pay the price. We don't - in fact we edge ever further away from the great place this country could be. Subsequently, when my hard earned is being extorted from me, I'm going to stand up and say "No! Where's our share and what's in it for me and my brothers?".


J

imlach

Mr Taylor,

I'm not trying to have a thesaurus competition

Luan Pra bang

The problem is that petrol is not expensive enough to keep people off the roads if it goes to 2/3 pounds a litre then the effect will make everything more expensive meaning less people can afford cars and even less could drive them and then there would be nice open roads for me to break speed limits on.

JTaylor

Another thinly vailed insult

imlach

No, that was meant as a joke! No offence intended. Apologies if any was taken. I'm enjoying your considered input to the discussion.

TruthHurts

Make it £5/ltr and remove the poor from our roads. I'm sick of looking at them in their crappy Imprezas, old bangers and other chav mobiles. Make them pay for being inferior.

JTaylor

Ok mate. Likewise.

Dracoro

Which BMW site did you say you came from?

Leslie

The Government stands to make an extra £3 billion from the petrol price increases.

Les

imlach

References and/or calculations would be nice to justify that statement.