Speeding at 127mph - automatic ban?
08 June 2005, 02:47 PM
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Speeding at 127mph - automatic ban?
Mate got caught on the M3 recently. Has 3 points for speeding already.
Is this an automatic ban? If so, any idea how long it's likely to be? Cheers.
Is this an automatic ban? If so, any idea how long it's likely to be? Cheers.
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Mr Eric King, sir, it was Hampshire. Please ignore the comedy* act taking place around us. 
* In the loosest possible sense, naturally.
* In the loosest possible sense, naturally.
08 June 2005, 03:18 PM
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I know of someone who was caught at a true 137mph and was sent down for 30 days with a 12 mth ban.
I would say 127 is at least 12mths if not custodial aswell.
Mind you, i was personally caught at 129mph on laser just a few weeks back but he let me off with his 93mph vascar reading. My RA alerted me that i had a laser alert, i slammed on the brakes and got to below 100. The policeman did comment on how i dropped my speed quickly and how i was lucky his vascar was reading much lower.
I would say 127 is at least 12mths if not custodial aswell.
Mind you, i was personally caught at 129mph on laser just a few weeks back but he let me off with his 93mph vascar reading. My RA alerted me that i had a laser alert, i slammed on the brakes and got to below 100. The policeman did comment on how i dropped my speed quickly and how i was lucky his vascar was reading much lower.
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Mate got caught on the M3 recently. Has 3 points for speeding already.
Is this an automatic ban? If so, any idea how long it's likely to be? Cheers.
Is this an automatic ban? If so, any idea how long it's likely to be? Cheers.
Hope that helps
Tels' mate
08 June 2005, 03:33 PM
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Don't be like that you tart 
Just wondered what 127 was likely to bring. Fine's irrelevant, but he thinks he can convince the judge not to ban him for long.
"So what car were you driving, sonny?"
"Porsche Boxster S, sir".
"Six months. Good bye".
Tell me i'm wrong..?
Just wondered what 127 was likely to bring. Fine's irrelevant, but he thinks he can convince the judge not to ban him for long.
"So what car were you driving, sonny?"
"Porsche Boxster S, sir".
"Six months. Good bye".
Tell me i'm wrong..?
08 June 2005, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Don't be like that you tart
Just wondered what 127 was likely to bring. Fine's irrelevant, but he thinks he can convince the judge not to ban him for long.
"So what car were you driving, sonny?"
"Porsche Boxster S, sir".
"Six months. Good bye".
Tell me i'm wrong..?
Just wondered what 127 was likely to bring. Fine's irrelevant, but he thinks he can convince the judge not to ban him for long.
"So what car were you driving, sonny?"
"Porsche Boxster S, sir".
"Six months. Good bye".
Tell me i'm wrong..?
08 June 2005, 03:36 PM
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from past cases, it tends to be the degree the defendant needs to use his car for his lively hood that can influence some judicial decisions.
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Don't be like that you tart
You should have a look in "was it you".
08 June 2005, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RichWalk
from past cases, it tends to be the degree the defendant needs to use his car for his lively hood that can influence some judicial decisions.
Yes, and i'm not sure "I need to get to work earlier than public transport starts to gamble on the world's fianancial markets with other people's money" is going to have much sway to be honest...
08 June 2005, 04:26 PM
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Tel- Surprised you asked considering the amount of posts on this subject.
133MPH -6 points and £450 fine plus £30 gun calibration costs and £450 solicitor fees.
So no it's not necessarily bird or a automatic ban.
Good luck to whoever.
133MPH -6 points and £450 fine plus £30 gun calibration costs and £450 solicitor fees.
So no it's not necessarily bird or a automatic ban.
Good luck to whoever.
08 June 2005, 04:37 PM
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Tel, your 'freind' could always rent a city flat for the period of the ban. Might sting a bit more than the fine 
He'd better start driving to lots of charity events from now 'till the court case
He'd better start driving to lots of charity events from now 'till the court case
08 June 2005, 04:45 PM
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It really isn't me. But thanks, Spoon - like all these things, i don't tend to take much interest in threads of this nature unless it affects me. Hopefully he'll avoid the ban.
08 June 2005, 06:31 PM
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This might give some indications:
Telegraph
Pc drove at 112mph so girlfriend could get home for a sleep By Nick Britten
(Filed: 07/06/2005)
A police driving instructor drove at 112mph on the M1 so that his girlfriend could get home for a "good night's sleep", a court was told yesterday.
Pc Colin Yates, 41, was returning from a holiday when he was followed for two miles before being pulled over near Shepshed, Leics, at 11.38pm on April 8.
The court heard that he was speeding because he was late and wanted his girlfriend, also a police officer, to get some rest before starting work at 7am the following morning.
Yates, a driving instructor for South Yorkshire police, was banned for two months yesterday. He also faces losing his instructor's job.
Loughborough magistrates were told that Yates and his girlfriend, who are due to marry in October, had been on a cruise in Spain but docked at Portsmouth five hours late and were in a hurry to return home to Outbridge, Sheffield.
Yates told the court that he was desperate to allow his partner a "good night's sleep and some rest", and said that he simply "found myself at that speed".
He said: "The road surface was dry and fine. The road conditions were good and there was no danger to any other motorist.
"I was making every effort to get home as quickly and safely as possible.
Having found a clear stretch, I decided to try to make some progress."
Yates, who was at the wheel of his Y-reg Peugeot 206, is on sick leave and has been given a new job training probationary officers. He added: "I apologise for taking up the court's time and finding myself in this position. I have brought shame and discredit upon myself."
As well as the disqualification, Yates, who admitted speeding, was fined
£265 and ordered to pay £35 costs. The chairman of the bench, David Womersley, told him: "Because of the high speeds, we feel we have no other alternative but to disqualify you from driving.
"We have reduced the length of disqualification to two months because of your guilty plea. Normally you would have faced a three-month ban."
After the hearing Roger Vincent, of the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, said the case raised "very serious issues".
He said: "It is extremely worrying when a police officer, who knows the tragic consequences of road accidents, drives at speeds like this. It is an appalling example, because, no matter how skilled you are, other people make mistakes and driving at that speed puts them in danger, too. A driving instructor, especially, should know that if you drive at 112mph you have no chance of survival if something happens."
Mr Vincent added: "There are a lot of high-profile cases involving police officers at the moment. It is very worrying that so many are flouting the law."
A spokesman for South Yorkshire police said Yates's case had been referred to the force's Professional Standards Department. She added: "Police officers, like anyone else, are bound by the rule of law and, when they break the law, they can expect to be dealt with by the courts.
"We will be reviewing the situation in light of this officer's conviction at magistrates' court. The implication of his disqualification will have an immediate impact on the role that he performs."
Yates's girlfriend, who was not identified in court, has resigned from the police since the incident.
It is the latest high profile case involving speeding police officers. Last month Pc Mark Milton, from West Mercia police, was cleared of speeding and dangerous driving despite being caught at 159mph. He claimed he was "familiarising himself" with his new patrol car.
Pc Daniel Swain, of Derbyshire police, who crashed into a house after allegedly driving at 90mph in a 30mph zone, escaped prosecution after the black box recorder that clocked his speed went missing.
A day later Derbyshire police admitted that 59 of its drivers had been caught by speed cameras this year but that not one had been prosecuted.
Telegraph
Pc drove at 112mph so girlfriend could get home for a sleep By Nick Britten
(Filed: 07/06/2005)
A police driving instructor drove at 112mph on the M1 so that his girlfriend could get home for a "good night's sleep", a court was told yesterday.
Pc Colin Yates, 41, was returning from a holiday when he was followed for two miles before being pulled over near Shepshed, Leics, at 11.38pm on April 8.
The court heard that he was speeding because he was late and wanted his girlfriend, also a police officer, to get some rest before starting work at 7am the following morning.
Yates, a driving instructor for South Yorkshire police, was banned for two months yesterday. He also faces losing his instructor's job.
Loughborough magistrates were told that Yates and his girlfriend, who are due to marry in October, had been on a cruise in Spain but docked at Portsmouth five hours late and were in a hurry to return home to Outbridge, Sheffield.
Yates told the court that he was desperate to allow his partner a "good night's sleep and some rest", and said that he simply "found myself at that speed".
He said: "The road surface was dry and fine. The road conditions were good and there was no danger to any other motorist.
"I was making every effort to get home as quickly and safely as possible.
Having found a clear stretch, I decided to try to make some progress."
Yates, who was at the wheel of his Y-reg Peugeot 206, is on sick leave and has been given a new job training probationary officers. He added: "I apologise for taking up the court's time and finding myself in this position. I have brought shame and discredit upon myself."
As well as the disqualification, Yates, who admitted speeding, was fined
£265 and ordered to pay £35 costs. The chairman of the bench, David Womersley, told him: "Because of the high speeds, we feel we have no other alternative but to disqualify you from driving.
"We have reduced the length of disqualification to two months because of your guilty plea. Normally you would have faced a three-month ban."
After the hearing Roger Vincent, of the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, said the case raised "very serious issues".
He said: "It is extremely worrying when a police officer, who knows the tragic consequences of road accidents, drives at speeds like this. It is an appalling example, because, no matter how skilled you are, other people make mistakes and driving at that speed puts them in danger, too. A driving instructor, especially, should know that if you drive at 112mph you have no chance of survival if something happens."
Mr Vincent added: "There are a lot of high-profile cases involving police officers at the moment. It is very worrying that so many are flouting the law."
A spokesman for South Yorkshire police said Yates's case had been referred to the force's Professional Standards Department. She added: "Police officers, like anyone else, are bound by the rule of law and, when they break the law, they can expect to be dealt with by the courts.
"We will be reviewing the situation in light of this officer's conviction at magistrates' court. The implication of his disqualification will have an immediate impact on the role that he performs."
Yates's girlfriend, who was not identified in court, has resigned from the police since the incident.
It is the latest high profile case involving speeding police officers. Last month Pc Mark Milton, from West Mercia police, was cleared of speeding and dangerous driving despite being caught at 159mph. He claimed he was "familiarising himself" with his new patrol car.
Pc Daniel Swain, of Derbyshire police, who crashed into a house after allegedly driving at 90mph in a 30mph zone, escaped prosecution after the black box recorder that clocked his speed went missing.
A day later Derbyshire police admitted that 59 of its drivers had been caught by speed cameras this year but that not one had been prosecuted.
08 June 2005, 08:48 PM
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Lots of incorrect answers above.
Firstly SPEEDING is a non imprisonable offence. You can only be imprisoned if you are charged with dangerous driving.
Secondly, it is almost inevitable that you will be banned, the only real question is the duration of the ban. For most speeding offences, Magistrates disqualify for up to 56 days, However where the speed is particularly high, as in this case, they often disqualify for longer. In law, there is no Maximum length of a speeding disqualification, although a few months is usually the order of the day.
Finally, you either get points or a ban..not both.....speeding carries between 3 and 6 penalty points OR a discretionary disqualification.
Hope this helps.
Firstly SPEEDING is a non imprisonable offence. You can only be imprisoned if you are charged with dangerous driving.
Secondly, it is almost inevitable that you will be banned, the only real question is the duration of the ban. For most speeding offences, Magistrates disqualify for up to 56 days, However where the speed is particularly high, as in this case, they often disqualify for longer. In law, there is no Maximum length of a speeding disqualification, although a few months is usually the order of the day.
Finally, you either get points or a ban..not both.....speeding carries between 3 and 6 penalty points OR a discretionary disqualification.
Hope this helps.
08 June 2005, 11:31 PM
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My past *record*
118 - 28 days & £250
96 (same mags 2 days later) - 3 pts & £200
104 - 3 pts & £150
1st 2 I had a solicitor, last just me.
It's a lottery but do what you can to mitigate the punishment. Play the game & eat humble pie whilst at the same time try & reduce the odds of a long ban by character references & hardships that a ban would bring to you.
118 - 28 days & £250
96 (same mags 2 days later) - 3 pts & £200
104 - 3 pts & £150
1st 2 I had a solicitor, last just me.
It's a lottery but do what you can to mitigate the punishment. Play the game & eat humble pie whilst at the same time try & reduce the odds of a long ban by character references & hardships that a ban would bring to you.
09 June 2005, 12:53 AM
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Ok joking aside this is serious and you could theoretically go to f**king prison.
If you own an M3 you cant be short of a few bob, Flick through the back of EVO mag or Autocar or similar and get a damn good lawyer and sharpish!!!!!
If you own an M3 you cant be short of a few bob, Flick through the back of EVO mag or Autocar or similar and get a damn good lawyer and sharpish!!!!!
09 June 2005, 01:26 AM
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Tel; as someone else has already mentioned; people have received a custodial sentence (real time too!) for this speed and had their vehicle confiscated! They were charged with other motoring offences but that was only on the strength of their speed.....
Were they stopped at the scene or have they received a NIP? If its the latter Id seriously consider lying like a b*stard.
Simon
Were they stopped at the scene or have they received a NIP? If its the latter Id seriously consider lying like a b*stard.
Simon
09 June 2005, 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by turboman786
Lots of incorrect answers above.
Firstly SPEEDING is a non imprisonable offence. You can only be imprisoned if you are charged with dangerous driving.
Secondly, it is almost inevitable that you will be banned, the only real question is the duration of the ban. For most speeding offences, Magistrates disqualify for up to 56 days, However where the speed is particularly high, as in this case, they often disqualify for longer. In law, there is no Maximum length of a speeding disqualification, although a few months is usually the order of the day.
Finally, you either get points or a ban..not both.....speeding carries between 3 and 6 penalty points OR a discretionary disqualification.
Hope this helps.
Firstly SPEEDING is a non imprisonable offence. You can only be imprisoned if you are charged with dangerous driving.
Secondly, it is almost inevitable that you will be banned, the only real question is the duration of the ban. For most speeding offences, Magistrates disqualify for up to 56 days, However where the speed is particularly high, as in this case, they often disqualify for longer. In law, there is no Maximum length of a speeding disqualification, although a few months is usually the order of the day.
Finally, you either get points or a ban..not both.....speeding carries between 3 and 6 penalty points OR a discretionary disqualification.
Hope this helps.
Could be wrong mind