"Culture of respect" or the end of yob culture!
18 May 2005, 01:07 PM
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"Culture of respect" or the end of yob culture!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4551727.stm
Apparently there won't be any yobs, if you don't wear a hooded top in shopping centres and eat dinner at a table!
Maybe I'm being stupid, but I thought it was the threat of punishment that stopped yobs in my day (God, I sound old)
The fear of the cane at school, the fear of what the police would do, but more importantly what my parents would say or do!
But with the liberal PC attitude sweeping the nation, we lay blame at every corner, rather than rely things that have worked in the past!
I'm not suggesting that kids are beaten, but the threat of a smack was enough. Yet there will be people who say that kids should not be hit (be it a light smack on the bum) at all.
There is a kid in Kingston called Liam (who I say is no more than 13), who has shoplifted from several shops in town (and is now ejected on site), happy to spit on people, smash up cars, beat his mum up and mug people. But what have the authorities done? Nothing! Maybe some councilling will help!
Apparently there won't be any yobs, if you don't wear a hooded top in shopping centres and eat dinner at a table!
Maybe I'm being stupid, but I thought it was the threat of punishment that stopped yobs in my day (God, I sound old)
The fear of the cane at school, the fear of what the police would do, but more importantly what my parents would say or do!
But with the liberal PC attitude sweeping the nation, we lay blame at every corner, rather than rely things that have worked in the past!
I'm not suggesting that kids are beaten, but the threat of a smack was enough. Yet there will be people who say that kids should not be hit (be it a light smack on the bum) at all.
There is a kid in Kingston called Liam (who I say is no more than 13), who has shoplifted from several shops in town (and is now ejected on site), happy to spit on people, smash up cars, beat his mum up and mug people. But what have the authorities done? Nothing! Maybe some councilling will help!
18 May 2005, 01:12 PM
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It's laughable under the current government.
If people want rid of these types as well as a country of more morals they should have put a cross in the blue box. But once again people are f$cking oblivious to what they are actually voting for.
If people want rid of these types as well as a country of more morals they should have put a cross in the blue box. But once again people are f$cking oblivious to what they are actually voting for.
18 May 2005, 01:14 PM
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You disagree that eating dinner at a table has anything to do with it, but then you say that your behaviour as a child was partly influenced by being afraid of your parents.
The two things are related. Eating dinner at a table could be seen as parents instilling decent values in their kids. It says:
"I made this meal for you. Now you will sit at the table and behave in a proper way for at least 10 minutes while we eat together."
Eating meals together also provides an opportunity for the family to be together (assuming that they are) and for two way communication between children and parents.
Just MO.
The two things are related. Eating dinner at a table could be seen as parents instilling decent values in their kids. It says:
"I made this meal for you. Now you will sit at the table and behave in a proper way for at least 10 minutes while we eat together."
Eating meals together also provides an opportunity for the family to be together (assuming that they are) and for two way communication between children and parents.
Just MO.
18 May 2005, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PCatWork
You disagree that eating dinner at a table has anything to do with it, but then you say that your behaviour as a child was partly influenced by being afraid of your parents.
The two things are related. Eating dinner at a table could be seen as parents instilling decent values in their kids. It says:
"I made this meal for you. Now you will sit at the table and behave in a proper way for at least 10 minutes while we eat together."
Eating meals together also provides an opportunity for the family to be together (assuming that they are) and for two way communication between children and parents.
Just MO.
The two things are related. Eating dinner at a table could be seen as parents instilling decent values in their kids. It says:
"I made this meal for you. Now you will sit at the table and behave in a proper way for at least 10 minutes while we eat together."
Eating meals together also provides an opportunity for the family to be together (assuming that they are) and for two way communication between children and parents.
Just MO.
18 May 2005, 01:21 PM
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I don't disagree with eating at the dinner table, but you do not need to eat at the dinner table together to interact with your children.
More fool the parents if that's the only time they spend with their kids.
Maybe TB can tax people who don't eat at the dinner table, or don't have a dinning room!
More fool the parents if that's the only time they spend with their kids.
Maybe TB can tax people who don't eat at the dinner table, or don't have a dinning room!
18 May 2005, 01:46 PM
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It certainly is due to a complete lack of respect and no sense of discipline while they are brought up. This is down to the parents more than anything else. If parents are either not prepared to to instil discipline because they are frightened to do so in case their children won't love them, or because they are so indisciplined themselves that they just can't be bothered, then matters wiil just get worse, esoecially when we get to the next generation.
An ordered society requires cooperation from the people, the police would never be able to cope otherwise. The only way to get that is to get children to respect authority and to realise that if they transcend the rules then they can expect a significant punishment. This has to be something that they just dont like and if that includes corporal punishment then that is what they should expect to get. Another worthwhile step would be to make parents legally responsible for damage and vandalism etc by their children who are below the age of majority.
All this PC rubbish from the Roman sandal wearers has a great deal to answer for and if it is not changed then the future looks bleak to say the least.
Les
An ordered society requires cooperation from the people, the police would never be able to cope otherwise. The only way to get that is to get children to respect authority and to realise that if they transcend the rules then they can expect a significant punishment. This has to be something that they just dont like and if that includes corporal punishment then that is what they should expect to get. Another worthwhile step would be to make parents legally responsible for damage and vandalism etc by their children who are below the age of majority.
All this PC rubbish from the Roman sandal wearers has a great deal to answer for and if it is not changed then the future looks bleak to say the least.
Les
18 May 2005, 03:25 PM
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Thed link says: "After hooded tops, the disappearance of family mealtimes is the latest thing turning youngsters into yobs, according to the government" ...
What is should actually have said is the disappearence of the family! Which this government has done much to accelerate.
Dave
What is should actually have said is the disappearence of the family! Which this government has done much to accelerate.
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
What is should actually have said is the disappearence of the family! Which this government has done much to accelerate.
Personally, I think the degeneration of society to chav levels in general has been going on for longer than the last 8 years. In fact I suspect a lot of the problem is the dissolutionment instilled into the working class after the battles between the last conservative government and the trade unions. Once it's there, it's very hard (if not impossible) to get rid of again. I agree that the Labour government hasn't been very proactive in trying to sort this out so far, but I think it's unfair to blame them solely for an inherited problem....
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S'not just Nu Labia - it's has been going on for years. But they zapped the married mans tax allowance, easier divorce , etc. There are many many studies that show that almost everything from school grades to lawlessness are markedly reduced (though everyone will have exceptiosn that prove the rule!) when kids are brought up in a stable family background with parents who are married to each other and are also the opposite sex ....
As support for the family has such obvious good effects on society as a whole I see no reason NOT to encourage people to get married. That is not being anti-anything, it is being pro-marriage and thus pro-civilised society. If you don't want to get married fine. But you should have none of the benefits that come with that.
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As support for the family has such obvious good effects on society as a whole I see no reason NOT to encourage people to get married. That is not being anti-anything, it is being pro-marriage and thus pro-civilised society. If you don't want to get married fine. But you should have none of the benefits that come with that.
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18 May 2005, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Tang
More fool the parents if that's the only time they spend with their kids.
One less ruffian/chav in the Kingston/Teddington area now though eh
18 May 2005, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Tang
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4551727.stm
Apparently there won't be any yobs, if you don't wear a hooded top in shopping centres and eat dinner at a table!
Maybe I'm being stupid, but I thought it was the threat of punishment that stopped yobs in my day (God, I sound old)
The fear of the cane at school, the fear of what the police would do, but more importantly what my parents would say or do!
But with the liberal PC attitude sweeping the nation, we lay blame at every corner, rather than rely things that have worked in the past!
I'm not suggesting that kids are beaten, but the threat of a smack was enough. Yet there will be people who say that kids should not be hit (be it a light smack on the bum) at all.
There is a kid in Kingston called Liam (who I say is no more than 13), who has shoplifted from several shops in town (and is now ejected on site), happy to spit on people, smash up cars, beat his mum up and mug people. But what have the authorities done? Nothing! Maybe some councilling will help!
Apparently there won't be any yobs, if you don't wear a hooded top in shopping centres and eat dinner at a table!
Maybe I'm being stupid, but I thought it was the threat of punishment that stopped yobs in my day (God, I sound old)
The fear of the cane at school, the fear of what the police would do, but more importantly what my parents would say or do!
But with the liberal PC attitude sweeping the nation, we lay blame at every corner, rather than rely things that have worked in the past!
I'm not suggesting that kids are beaten, but the threat of a smack was enough. Yet there will be people who say that kids should not be hit (be it a light smack on the bum) at all.
There is a kid in Kingston called Liam (who I say is no more than 13), who has shoplifted from several shops in town (and is now ejected on site), happy to spit on people, smash up cars, beat his mum up and mug people. But what have the authorities done? Nothing! Maybe some councilling will help!
18 May 2005, 08:15 PM
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If people want rid of these types as well as a country of more morals they should have put a cross in the blue box.
M
19 May 2005, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Vegescoob
All Politicians can "talk the talk", very few can "walk the walk".
Nothing will come of this.
Trust me.
Nothing will come of this.
Trust me.
It will still end up with endless beuracracy (sp?), regardless of what they are saying (ASBO's anyone??). We all know the way to solve the problem is a larger police presence and tougher punishments for offenders. Why cant they just do this and be done with it?
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Originally Posted by Iain Young
What exactly has the government done to accelerate this then?
19 May 2005, 01:21 AM
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you forgot to blame professional footballers as well, overpaid, highly self regarded and strangely admired individuals who are allowed to stream lines of obscenities at referees when they dont like their decision and it is streamed to homes all over the place. Real multi factorial issue this one, these pretentious individuals get away with it evry saturday and if they can why cant the kids of today?
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