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20 April 2005, 03:06 PM
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Question for you Parents............
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Bit of question for you parents out there.....
My Little boy, who is 11 months has just got out of hospital AGAIN
today. It all started back in October when he got a chest infection. He was in hospital overnight, while having nebulizers, because he was sounding really wheezy. 
Anyway since then he has been in and out god knows how many times. He will get a little runny nose on one day and by the following day he will be in hospital having these nebulizers. It all happens so quick.
The doctors never say anything about what it could be.
Sometimes they mention asthma but to me it doesn't sound like it is. (Being a sufferer myself) It sounds a very wet wheeze if that makes sense not dry like I would associate with asthma.
Has any of you had any experiences like this with your littluns, does anyone know what it could be ????
Its just so frustrating feeling so helpless when your little boy is suffering big time.
Bit of question for you parents out there.....
My Little boy, who is 11 months has just got out of hospital AGAIN
today. It all started back in October when he got a chest infection. He was in hospital overnight, while having nebulizers, because he was sounding really wheezy. Anyway since then he has been in and out god knows how many times. He will get a little runny nose on one day and by the following day he will be in hospital having these nebulizers. It all happens so quick.The doctors never say anything about what it could be.
Sometimes they mention asthma but to me it doesn't sound like it is. (Being a sufferer myself) It sounds a very wet wheeze if that makes sense not dry like I would associate with asthma. Has any of you had any experiences like this with your littluns, does anyone know what it could be ????
Its just so frustrating feeling so helpless when your little boy is suffering big time.
20 April 2005, 03:08 PM
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not a parent myself but just a thought, your house doesnt suffer from damp or you get alot of condensation on your windows etc? the misses sister had a kid not so long ago and theyve noticed a BIG difference in little things by getting a dehumidifier in the house.... just a thought.
20 April 2005, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
not a parent myself but just a thought, your house doesnt suffer from damp or you get alot of condensation on your windows etc? the misses sister had a kid not so long ago and theyve noticed a BIG difference in little things by getting a dehumidifier in the house.... just a thought.
Good point Dave thanx for that.....
20 April 2005, 03:17 PM
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I'd be inclined to ask the doctors more firmly for a diagnosis. Asking on here is rather like entering a few words in to an online Medical Encyclopedia. You will get suggestions of everything from common cold, through MRSA to cancer and back again. It's likely to leave you more worried than you already are. Ask the professionals that are treating your child.
20 April 2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
I'd be inclined to ask the doctors more firmly for a diagnosis. Asking on here is rather like entering a few words in to an online Medical Encyclopedia. You will get suggestions of everything from common cold, through MRSA to cancer and back again. It's likely to leave you more worried than you already are. Ask the professionals that are treating your child.
Its handy to know what other parents have experienced, for exampl, Daves' point above is very useful. And there could be many others as well..
20 April 2005, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MOK79
The problem is they never fecking answer. I have asked so many times, told them to find out. But nothing ever comes of it. Its just so frustrating.
Its handy to know what other parents have experienced, for exampl, Daves' point above is very useful. And there could be many others as well..
Its handy to know what other parents have experienced, for exampl, Daves' point above is very useful. And there could be many others as well..
1) Things get better
2) Things stay the same
3) Things get worse
If point 1, great, but you can't sure it was the action you took, it could (and often is) coincidence.
If point 2, you have moved no further forward but have wasted your money.
If point 3, you are going to feel as guilty as hell, although as for point 1 it may have nothing to do with the action you took.
By all means listen to others, but more importantly, push the professionals, ask for a second opinion, whatever it takes. Once you KNOW what it is, you can start looking for a cure or things that ellivate the symptoms, to try and effect a cure without knowing what the problem is can be expensive, dangerous and counter productive.
Sorry if that all seems harsh, but I've read too many stories of people doing their own thing or trying wack job remedies rather than seek professional help and invariably they end up much worse off than they started.
20 April 2005, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
I appreciate the fustration. I am just concerned that without a professional diagnosis, you may be tempted to start "trying things". Following Dave's advice you may go out and spend a few quid on a de-humidifer for example. Having done that, 1 of 3 things will happen:
1) Things get better
2) Things stay the same
3) Things get worse
If point 1, great, but you can't sure it was the action you took, it could (and often is) coincidence.
If point 2, you have moved no further forward but have wasted your money.
If point 3, you are going to feel as guilty as hell, although as for point 1 it may have nothing to do with the action you took.
By all means listen to others, but more importantly, push the professionals, ask for a second opinion, whatever it takes. Once you KNOW what it is, you can start looking for a cure or things that ellivate the symptoms, to try and effect a cure without knowing what the problem is can be expensive, dangerous and counter productive.
Sorry if that all seems harsh, but I've read too many stories of people doing their own thing or trying wack job remedies rather than seek professional help and invariably they end up much worse off than they started.
1) Things get better
2) Things stay the same
3) Things get worse
If point 1, great, but you can't sure it was the action you took, it could (and often is) coincidence.
If point 2, you have moved no further forward but have wasted your money.
If point 3, you are going to feel as guilty as hell, although as for point 1 it may have nothing to do with the action you took.
By all means listen to others, but more importantly, push the professionals, ask for a second opinion, whatever it takes. Once you KNOW what it is, you can start looking for a cure or things that ellivate the symptoms, to try and effect a cure without knowing what the problem is can be expensive, dangerous and counter productive.
Sorry if that all seems harsh, but I've read too many stories of people doing their own thing or trying wack job remedies rather than seek professional help and invariably they end up much worse off than they started.
I appreciate your concern Olly Thanx.
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20 April 2005, 03:36 PM
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lol.. can I just point out (bit of a disclaimer here 
) that my post was not advice in any way it was just a THOUGHT that someone might like to dwell on I will be no way held responsible for any problems caused by the installation of a dehumidifier
) that my post was not advice in any way it was just a THOUGHT that someone might like to dwell on I will be no way held responsible for any problems caused by the installation of a dehumidifier
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Might be a matter of going through your GP. He/she is probably aware of the visits to hospital but unless you go in there and speak face to face it possibly will not be followed up.
Be a pest. Make a nuisance of yourself. Don't take no or flannel for an answer. Your GP is the first step on the path to discovering just what is the problem. Sadly, we live in an era of having to push for what used to be an automatic response from the experts.
I sincerely wish you all the best,nothing more worrying than a little 'un having repetative illnesses. Good luck.
Yve
Be a pest. Make a nuisance of yourself. Don't take no or flannel for an answer. Your GP is the first step on the path to discovering just what is the problem. Sadly, we live in an era of having to push for what used to be an automatic response from the experts.
I sincerely wish you all the best,nothing more worrying than a little 'un having repetative illnesses. Good luck.
Yve
20 April 2005, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
lol.. can I just point out (bit of a disclaimer here ) that my post was not advice in any way it was just a THOUGHT that someone might like to dwell on I will be no way held responsible for any problems caused by the installation of a dehumidifier
) that my post was not advice in any way it was just a THOUGHT that someone might like to dwell on I will be no way held responsible for any problems caused by the installation of a dehumidifier
20 April 2005, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MOK79
I agree 100%. I wouldn't take any action without seeking proper advice first. Like you say it is just far too risky. And with the health not only of my littlun but 3 other sprogs as well, its not worth any possible implications.
I appreciate your concern Olly Thanx.
I appreciate your concern Olly Thanx.
20 April 2005, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Apparition
Make a nuisance of yourself.
The problem is Yve. Our GP is crap. He was prescribed a couple of inhalers by our GP and told us to give them to him a particular way. Then when in hospital the doctors and nurses asked how he has it and we told them what our GP said. And basically they said "what a load of bo11ox, there's no way the littlun is getting what he needs". Also heard a few stories about him (GP) and basically have lost any faith I had.....
20 April 2005, 04:12 PM
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When ours were little, we were told that doctors can't diagnose asthma until after 12 months old - We had the same as you, in and out of hospital like yo-yos with either bronchiolitis or no conclusions, happily they both grew out of it by the time they reached about 3 years old. Like everyone says, the doctors are the only ones who cn give you proper answers! Good Luck
20 April 2005, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by angel-eyes
When ours were little, we were told that doctors can't diagnose asthma until after 12 months old - We had the same as you, in and out of hospital like yo-yos with either bronchiolitis or no conclusions, happily they both grew out of it by the time they reached about 3 years old. Like everyone says, the doctors are the only ones who cn give you proper answers! Good Luck
20 April 2005, 07:12 PM
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I have no faith in doctorts myself (got a 10 month old). Search for other threads for a couple of examples. Another one regarding my son, after a renal scan they *thought* there could be a problem so sent him for another scan. In the meantime they say, take these anti-biotics as if it's one problem then this is the way to stop it - take them for a year! Now as the scan was a couple of days away and they didn't actually know what was wrong, if anything(!!), we said no. Took him along and all was fine. They didn't make it clear but he needed another scan about 2 months later (normal ultrasound instead of a catheter/dye type one). This was also fine. They sent a letter saying all was fine and we could now stop the ABs ... So, he could have been taking powerful medication for 3 months for no reason at all. Sounds a bit like your case - of, we don't know what it is but take this anyway!
Another example. My wife is a Bowen Therapist (look it up) and one og her patients brought her baby ( less than 6 months old I think) in as he had bad colic, was hardly feeding and had bad skin. She had been to the doctor and said should she take him off cows milk as that could be causing it. Doc said no chance, leave him on it. Anyhow, we use a goats milk formula so she suggested she try that (luckily it was feeding time). It was wolfed down and in two days laddy was much better.
Neighbour was getting headaches - doc prescribes anti-depressants!!!!!! We said, do you drink much water? No, but lots of strong coffee. Hmmm. Since she saw my wife she's said, if I drink water I'm fine. If I don't, I do ..... Doc never even asked the most basic questions.
Just to illustrate that I think GPs are wrong a LOT of the time. Sounds like they don't have a clue with yours either. I would not be happy with that diagnosis myself (or lack of diagnosis).
Make sure your lad gets healthy food and drink (organic baby foods - ZERO additives if possible or home made), fresh air and sun, plenty of sleep and try the goats milk formula - PM me if you need details.
Hope he's better soon.
Dave
PS: the only medication my lad has had was an anti-biotic injection he had as he was born with an infection as there were 36 hours between waters breaking and birth - no Calpol (worst stuff in the world - *can* cause asthma it says on the instructions - read them - and it's that really natural looking pink colour ...), no vacinations , nothing. And he's the healthiest baby we know ... Plus he sleeps though the night for 12 hours solid (from 4 months) ... result!
Another example. My wife is a Bowen Therapist (look it up) and one og her patients brought her baby ( less than 6 months old I think) in as he had bad colic, was hardly feeding and had bad skin. She had been to the doctor and said should she take him off cows milk as that could be causing it. Doc said no chance, leave him on it. Anyhow, we use a goats milk formula so she suggested she try that (luckily it was feeding time). It was wolfed down and in two days laddy was much better.
Neighbour was getting headaches - doc prescribes anti-depressants!!!!!! We said, do you drink much water? No, but lots of strong coffee. Hmmm. Since she saw my wife she's said, if I drink water I'm fine. If I don't, I do ..... Doc never even asked the most basic questions.
Just to illustrate that I think GPs are wrong a LOT of the time. Sounds like they don't have a clue with yours either. I would not be happy with that diagnosis myself (or lack of diagnosis).
Make sure your lad gets healthy food and drink (organic baby foods - ZERO additives if possible or home made), fresh air and sun, plenty of sleep and try the goats milk formula - PM me if you need details.
Hope he's better soon.
Dave
PS: the only medication my lad has had was an anti-biotic injection he had as he was born with an infection as there were 36 hours between waters breaking and birth - no Calpol (worst stuff in the world - *can* cause asthma it says on the instructions - read them - and it's that really natural looking pink colour ...), no vacinations , nothing. And he's the healthiest baby we know ... Plus he sleeps though the night for 12 hours solid (from 4 months) ... result!
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Originally Posted by MOK79
I'm good at that.
The problem is Yve. Our GP is crap. He was prescribed a couple of inhalers by our GP and told us to give them to him a particular way. Then when in hospital the doctors and nurses asked how he has it and we told them what our GP said. And basically they said "what a load of bo11ox, there's no way the littlun is getting what he needs". Also heard a few stories about him (GP) and basically have lost any faith I had.....
The problem is Yve. Our GP is crap. He was prescribed a couple of inhalers by our GP and told us to give them to him a particular way. Then when in hospital the doctors and nurses asked how he has it and we told them what our GP said. And basically they said "what a load of bo11ox, there's no way the littlun is getting what he needs". Also heard a few stories about him (GP) and basically have lost any faith I had.....
20 April 2005, 11:39 PM
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agree with angel-eyes was told the same thing about my daughter. She suffered from 5 months old with asthma- sounded like a big load of glut in her throat then eventually progressed 2 being wheezing and coughing day and night. Home nebulisers etc did help but nothing stopped it completely till she reached 4 since then nothing much 2 except a few minor episodes - shes nearly 11. I used to lie in bed with her coughing all night (she seemed to sleep even tho it was disturbed). My GP at the time was crap i relied on instinct.
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Our son had brochilitis (sp?) and needed a nebuliser. This was just a chest infection really, and the wheezing went away.
Antibiotics were prescribed and now he is happier/bouncier than ever.
*HOWEVER* they gave us the nebuliser at home so we didnt need to come in to hospital again.
I think this is really irresponsible. Its called preventative medicine. You could really have put your boy at risk if it was an infection as it had further days to progress!
Antibiotics were prescribed and now he is happier/bouncier than ever.
*HOWEVER* they gave us the nebuliser at home so we didnt need to come in to hospital again.
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In the meantime they say, take these anti-biotics as if it's one problem then this is the way to stop it ... we said no... Sounds a bit like your case - of, we don't know what it is but take this anyway!
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Originally Posted by catherine666
I think this is really irresponsible. Its called preventative medicine. You could really have put your boy at risk if it was an infection as it had further days to progress!
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Originally Posted by catherine666
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I think this is really irresponsible. Its called preventative medicine. You could really have put your boy at risk if it was an infection as it had further days to progress!
Bacteria can quite happily share genetical material (by conjugation) with other bacteria of a different strain or type. This is how bacteria can quite rapidly become imune to a drug. Once one has the dna to give it protection, it can share that with other bacteria.
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Originally Posted by OllyK
It's irresponsible of the doctors. It's this prescribe anti-biotics for any "unknown" attitude that has given us MSRA. Anti-biotics should be used for treating bacterial infections only. .
Catherine666: my lad didn't have an infection as such. Actually, he didn't have an infection at all. What he *could* have had was a reflux - see http://www.drgreene.com/21_626.html You'll see from this page that the less serious cases right themselves anyway. I guess ABs are given *in case* he gets an infection. In his case they were saying to start ABs *in case the tests showed he had it*. As Ollyk says, totally irresponsible. Oh, and he would have been on them for a year!! Ever been prescribed ABs for 5 days and had *bottie* problems??? What will that do in a year????
ABs destroy *good bacteria* as well leaving the AB resistant ones in the body. Hmmm. Giving ABs in that situation is the irresponsible thing to do in my opinion.
It is difficult sometimes in going against what the medical profession says BUT the more you hear about the, sometimes, simple mistakes they make the more it is fairly easy to do. The internet can be dismissed as a source of unfounded advice if you like but do enough research and you can sort out what is sound advice and what isn't.
A cracking book to get is " How to raise a Healthy Child ... In Spite of Your Doctor" by Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D. (yes he's Yank!). ISBN 0-345-34276-3
From it: Chapter 1: Most things get better by morning. Chapter 3: How doctors can make healthy kids sick ... etc A few snippets from near the start that set the scene: "at least 95% od the ailments that children are prey to will heal them selves and do not require medical attention".
"At least 90% of the drugs prescribed are unnecessary and a costly risk to the child who takes them...". Tellingly "Most pediatricians have received little or no education covering the fundamentals of nutrition and pharmocology, and no emphasis is placed on these vital subjects in medical school ..."
For the latter point witness my neighbour prescribed anti-depressants for a headache that actually goes when she drinks water .... And my other neighbours 4 year old on medication for migrains FFS!! (but I'll admit I don't know all the details on this BUT I do know the kids have a crap diet).
Enough said from me - it's tough being a parent and we all do our best as we see it. But it's just that IMHO a lot of present day ailments (kiddies and adults!) can be prevented by good, healthy food, fresh air and exercise!
Dave
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Seems there's a lot of bad feelings about GPs, they are not my favourite people either but they are the gateway to getting more done by the proper professionals. I talk from personal experience.
And as has been said, if you're not happy with yours, change him/her. They work for you, its your right.
And as has been said, if you're not happy with yours, change him/her. They work for you, its your right.
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