Big Brother or public safety?
14 April 2005, 01:19 PM
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14 April 2005, 01:21 PM
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It is in part to meet the US requirements. I suppose it will make Passports harder to forge, it's when they start insisting you have to have one and you have to have it on you at all times that I get twitchy
14 April 2005, 02:49 PM
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no-one likes having their privacy intruded upon, but is it any worse than the personal information we more than voluntarily give in everyday circumstances...? isnt it the case that only those who would oppose measures like this are those whose possible criminal activities it would impede...?
14 April 2005, 02:52 PM
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Depends if you like having your fingers chopped off so they can steal your identity 
Bit extreme, but could happen. Didn't some geezer have his finger chopped off because some security device that the thieves wanted to bypass used biometric finger print checking (or whatever the fandangled technology is called
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Bit extreme, but could happen. Didn't some geezer have his finger chopped off because some security device that the thieves wanted to bypass used biometric finger print checking (or whatever the fandangled technology is called
)?
14 April 2005, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by brihoppy
no-one likes having their privacy intruded upon, but is it any worse than the personal information we more than voluntarily give in everyday circumstances...? isnt it the case that only those who would oppose measures like this are those whose possible criminal activities it would impede...?
14 April 2005, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Not really - those involved in criminal activities won't think twice about breaking a further law by forging ID cards and such like. I don't care how many security measures they put in, those that want to get round it will. The rest of the general public however are inconvenienced as the paperwork is checked more frequently and in more places to try and catch the ones with the false paperwork. It's a self perpetuating problem IMO.
14 April 2005, 03:09 PM
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Home Secretary Charles Clarke has authorised the passport service to expand massively the number of offices it runs, from seven to over 70, so that it can cope with the new system.
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14 April 2005, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by brihoppy
yeah, i have to agree with you there...i guess there are ways around everything...i suppose it could be seen as just another way of keeping track of the public at large...
14 April 2005, 03:34 PM
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Me, I am a conspiracy theorist. Those who "rule" us and by that I mean not just politicians but the whole of the systems of the State are not unaware of the undercurrents of dissatifaction in this country. They look at BBs too.
The vast shifts of economic power, of which we are only seeing the beginning imo have them worried for the future. I'm sure that the futurologists they use are predicting the potential for civil unrest on a large scale. The State therefore, needs to attempt to get more control over the majority. The earlier the "masses" can be persuaded to accept this the better. The State can tolerate minority deviance but not from the mass. Witness the collapse of "Communism".
Think of the State as a biological organism. It's first imperative is to survive. It can tolerate some malignant cells but not a majority for that would be a cancer that would destroy it.
The vast shifts of economic power, of which we are only seeing the beginning imo have them worried for the future. I'm sure that the futurologists they use are predicting the potential for civil unrest on a large scale. The State therefore, needs to attempt to get more control over the majority. The earlier the "masses" can be persuaded to accept this the better. The State can tolerate minority deviance but not from the mass. Witness the collapse of "Communism".
Think of the State as a biological organism. It's first imperative is to survive. It can tolerate some malignant cells but not a majority for that would be a cancer that would destroy it.
14 April 2005, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegescoob
Me, I am a conspiracy theorist. Those who "rule" us and by that I mean not just politicians but the whole of the systems of the State are not unaware of the undercurrents of dissatifaction in this country. They look at BBs too.
The vast shifts of economic power, of which we are only seeing the beginning imo have them worried for the future. I'm sure that the futurologists they use are predicting the potential for civil unrest on a large scale. The State therefore, needs to attempt to get more control over the majority. The earlier the "masses" can be persuaded to accept this the better. The State can tolerate minority deviance but not from the mass. Witness the collapse of "Communism".
Think of the State as a biological organism. It's first imperative is to survive. It can tolerate some malignant cells but not a majority for that would be a cancer that would destroy it.
The vast shifts of economic power, of which we are only seeing the beginning imo have them worried for the future. I'm sure that the futurologists they use are predicting the potential for civil unrest on a large scale. The State therefore, needs to attempt to get more control over the majority. The earlier the "masses" can be persuaded to accept this the better. The State can tolerate minority deviance but not from the mass. Witness the collapse of "Communism".
Think of the State as a biological organism. It's first imperative is to survive. It can tolerate some malignant cells but not a majority for that would be a cancer that would destroy it.
14 April 2005, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Do you buy tin foil in bulk?
Back to the thread, was at Heathrow couple of weeks ago. Saw a eye retina scanning machine in passport control. No one using it.
They are also trying out new "body" scanning machines, think they are xray of sorts.
Finger prints on passport, what can you do? Not that fussed myself. I suppose it will mean a lot of crims not getting passports so they will be stuck all year round in blighty and not able to go to the costa del sol....
If it aids the police in catching crims, great.
14 April 2005, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Hanslow
I'm guessing to cover yourself and your house in to stop the probing and control beams
These use beams, don't they, and while they don't control directly they sure make people modify their behaviour when they see them or think they may be present.
14 April 2005, 11:20 PM
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We best all go and buy tin-foil cars then
Although judging by the bodywork standards and easy carpark dings, most people on here already have one
Although judging by the bodywork standards and easy carpark dings, most people on here already have one
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So will this mean that instead of just posting a form and pictures, you have to drag your sorry *** X number of miles to the nearest office and queue for ages to be processed?
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