Drink driver gets 8 weeks...
02 March 2005, 03:37 PM
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Drink driver gets 8 weeks...
....for driving with excess alcohol, having no licence and having no insurance.
He also managed to kill a 12 year old boy crossing the road, but there was insufficent evidence to bring a death by dangerous driving charge.....because he wasn't driving "recklessly"
How can people live with themselves having not been punished for something like that????
He also managed to kill a 12 year old boy crossing the road, but there was insufficent evidence to bring a death by dangerous driving charge.....because he wasn't driving "recklessly"
How can people live with themselves having not been punished for something like that????
02 March 2005, 05:25 PM
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Thats accident happened not far from my house, Its totally discrace that the asylum seeker only got 8 weeks for killing someone while drinking under the infulance of alchol, where as Jermaine Pennent was court drink driving and didnt kill anybody and got the same punishment, wheres the logic in that. 
Thoughts are with the family of the little boy who died!
Thoughts are with the family of the little boy who died!
02 March 2005, 05:31 PM
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Tell you what guys......why dont YOU go and make an effort to restore common sense to the courts.....go and become magistrates...that way you will be doing something about it, rather than just being armchair critics.
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02 March 2005, 05:57 PM
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He shouldn't even be in this country, he's been here 7 yrs seeking asylum, and been turned down four times......
So why is he still here?????
So why is he still here?????
02 March 2005, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobyboy1
where as Jermaine Pennent was court drink driving and didnt kill anybody and got the same punishment, wheres the logic in that.
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02 March 2005, 06:18 PM
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You should be punished for the crime, not for the consequences of it. That's vengeance, not justice.
I'm not saying that he shouldn't spend longer in jail of course, I just wanted to make that point.
I'm not saying that he shouldn't spend longer in jail of course, I just wanted to make that point.
02 March 2005, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by simo
thats ****. Speeding motorists get more than that. Usual quality government f**k up
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02 March 2005, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by turboman786
Tell you what guys......why dont YOU go and make an effort to restore common sense to the courts.....go and become magistrates...that way you will be doing something about it, rather than just being armchair critics.
What we need in this country is elected Magistrates, Judges and Chief Constables as in the USA.
02 March 2005, 06:35 PM
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02 March 2005, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegescoob
No. That wouldn't work because Magistrates work to laid down sentencing guidelines. The PC brigade ensure that these are lenient.
What we need in this country is elected Magistrates, Judges and Chief Constables as in the USA.
What we need in this country is elected Magistrates, Judges and Chief Constables as in the USA.
aaahhhh the joy of Scoobynet law.........
02 March 2005, 06:51 PM
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WEGESCOOB....yu are right IN PART...magistrates do work within guidelines.....but they are only guidelines, and ultimately they can use their discretion. Yes the penalties may appear to be low, but by taking part you could help implement policy changes.....so if you really do want change, I would strongly urge anyone to become an active magistrate, and get involved with your local court.
02 March 2005, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
I remember this story, and IIRC this is a SIAL. The 12 year old boy was not hit by a reckless driver, he and his mates were playing chicken on a dual carriageway and he was too slow, Darwinian theory in practice.
The lynch mob mentality of this bbs makes me laugh, we should be patting this guy on the back, it's just one dead future car thief, there's many more where he came from
The lynch mob mentality of this bbs makes me laugh, we should be patting this guy on the back, it's just one dead future car thief, there's many more where he came from
As he was sentenced yesterday, and it was in the papers today, i doubt this is a sial.
I'm sure this lads parents will thank you for your input.
02 March 2005, 07:42 PM
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I remember this story, and IIRC this is a SIAL. The 12 year old boy was not hit by a reckless driver, he and his mates were playing chicken on a dual carriageway and he was too slow, Darwinian theory in practice.
02 March 2005, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by turboman786
WEGESCOOB....yu are right IN PART...magistrates do work within guidelines.....but they are only guidelines, and ultimately they can use their discretion. Yes the penalties may appear to be low, but by taking part you could help implement policy changes.....so if you really do want change, I would strongly urge anyone to become an active magistrate, and get involved with your local court.
I also suspect that any Bench thought to be "too tough" would soon be investigated by the Lord Chancellor's Office.
Remember, the prisons are overcrowded and this Government isn't planning to build many more.
02 March 2005, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by camk
Sorry you are talking rubbish in this case the guy was found NOT GUILTY of death through dangerous driving. If found guilty he faced up to 10 years in jail. This was a sentencing guideline SET by the current labour government a few years back.
aaahhhh the joy of Scoobynet law.........
aaahhhh the joy of Scoobynet law.........
How so?
02 March 2005, 09:47 PM
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Vegescoob, Magistrates are only constrained byt he stutory maximums, and the guidance given by the higher courts. ANY drink driving offence can result in a prison sentence of 6months. If the magistrates chose 8 weeks, then that is there decision....if it was you, you could have given him 6 months....but that still would not do justice to the crime, if I understnd your sentiments. The bottom line is, unless YOU are willing to something about it, ie be proactive, then you have no right to complain about those who are there doing what they consider to be their bit.
02 March 2005, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
we should be patting this guy on the back, it's just one dead future car thief, there's many more where he came from
02 March 2005, 10:11 PM
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Ive read somewhere that the asylum seeker will be out in 2weeks, because he has already done 6weeks on remand. Nice to know he will be back behind the steering wheel in a couple of weeks, when he picks up his asylum money he will be beating down the doors of people selling there £200 ford fiesta's
02 March 2005, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegescoob
Exactly, shows the farce of the current laws then. So, you're drunk, you kill someone and it's not dangerous driving.
How so?
How so?
To be guilty there needs to be evidence, there was obviously none or insufficient in this case. Being Drunk does not automatically mean you are driving dangerously. It certainly means your reactions are poorer but its not proof it was dangerous driving. I'm not defending the guy but you really need to know the evidence to make a jugement, I've not seen anyone on here admitting to being in the public gallery throughout the trial. You can kill someone driving on a straight road at 25MPH.
02 March 2005, 10:17 PM
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Scooby boy, if that was you, would you expect not to have time served on remand taken into account.???
Some of the ignorance expressed on the bb astounds me. People really need to educate themselves. I agree the sentence was unduly lenient, but that doesnt mean that the rule of law shouldn't continue to apply.
As a solicitor, I always wonder what the very people who hold the 'hang em and flog em' attitude would do in the same situation, and believe me we do get them....its amazing how someones attitude to crime and justice chagnes when they are the recipients...and I am yet to come across ONE middle class offender who didnt seek to provaricate and give himself a 'sporting chance' of an acquittal.
Some of the ignorance expressed on the bb astounds me. People really need to educate themselves. I agree the sentence was unduly lenient, but that doesnt mean that the rule of law shouldn't continue to apply.
As a solicitor, I always wonder what the very people who hold the 'hang em and flog em' attitude would do in the same situation, and believe me we do get them....its amazing how someones attitude to crime and justice chagnes when they are the recipients...and I am yet to come across ONE middle class offender who didnt seek to provaricate and give himself a 'sporting chance' of an acquittal.
02 March 2005, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by turboman786
Scooby boy, if that was you, would you expect not to have time served on remand taken into account.???
Some of the ignorance expressed on the bb astounds me. People really need to educate themselves. I agree the sentence was unduly lenient, but that doesnt mean that the rule of law shouldn't continue to apply.
As a solicitor, I always wonder what the very people who hold the 'hang em and flog em' attitude would do in the same situation, and believe me we do get them....its amazing how someones attitude to crime and justice chagnes when they are the recipients...and I am yet to come across ONE middle class offender who didnt seek to provaricate and give himself a 'sporting chance' of an acquittal.
Some of the ignorance expressed on the bb astounds me. People really need to educate themselves. I agree the sentence was unduly lenient, but that doesnt mean that the rule of law shouldn't continue to apply.
As a solicitor, I always wonder what the very people who hold the 'hang em and flog em' attitude would do in the same situation, and believe me we do get them....its amazing how someones attitude to crime and justice chagnes when they are the recipients...and I am yet to come across ONE middle class offender who didnt seek to provaricate and give himself a 'sporting chance' of an acquittal.
Unfortunately much of the 'worldly views' on here comes from the red top newspapers, not from personal experience.
However I'm hoping you're not suggesting anyone doesn't take a sporting chance, if they get it
.Personally I think it was lenient as well but to be honest I'm not aware of the full background, so difficult to really judge. Personally from past experience I know how much artistic licence goes into journalist's work these days.
But if its on the internet it must be true......
