Is this the right decision?
02 March 2005, 11:56 AM
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Is this the right decision?
02 March 2005, 11:58 AM
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Hello
Doesn't this shock you more:
79%?! Wow.
Steve.
Doesn't this shock you more:
The head teacher and governors of the school where 79% of pupils were Muslim said this was not acceptable and she should keep to the accepted uniform policy.
Steve.
02 March 2005, 12:02 PM
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Personally I don't have any problem with people being able to wear what they want. I think that the more clothing (and religious clothing in particular) is made to be an issue then the less accepted it is and the more of an issue it becomes.
Why does it matter what she wears? Instead of excluding her the school could have used it as an opportunity to talk to the kids about different belief systems etc.
Mind you, I am the hippy fool that argues in favour of men being allowed to wear dresses if they want, so I do have a pretty laid back open minded approach to it all!
Why does it matter what she wears? Instead of excluding her the school could have used it as an opportunity to talk to the kids about different belief systems etc.
Mind you, I am the hippy fool that argues in favour of men being allowed to wear dresses if they want, so I do have a pretty laid back open minded approach to it all!
02 March 2005, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Bungle *****
Why does it matter what she wears?
FFS! If a kid turns up with bright orange hair and a safety pin through his nose, he would be told to sort it or sod off, why should this be any different?
02 March 2005, 12:10 PM
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Agree with Warren, end of the day schools have a uniform for a reason, if you dont wear the uniform you cant be classed as part of the school. kick er out 
02 March 2005, 12:12 PM
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Because the school has a uniform policy ?!
FFS! If a kid turns up with bright orange hair and a safety pin through his nose, he would be told to sort it or sod off, why should this be any different?
FFS! If a kid turns up with bright orange hair and a safety pin through his nose, he would be told to sort it or sod off, why should this be any different?
Her dress is far more appropriate and way more modest than some of the variations on school uniform I see some of the girls wearing around here.
I accept that kids will get excluded for bright orange hair and safety pins - but even as a kid I could never figure out why.
I know I'm an idealistic hippy, but frankly I don't care. Everyone should be accepted for who they are and not what they wear.
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02 March 2005, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
end of the day schools have a uniform for a reason
02 March 2005, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Bungle *****
Everyone should be accepted for who they are and not what they wear.
Do you happen to read the Guardian and find yourself nodding when you read the editorials?
02 March 2005, 12:16 PM
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You can have a uniform policy, but it's in breach of the Race Relations Act if they don't allow for people to adapt it for religious reasons.
02 March 2005, 12:21 PM
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I think these links give you a lot more info than the rather simple story above.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3135600.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3459963.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3135600.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3459963.stm
02 March 2005, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Do you happen to read the Guardian and find yourself nodding when you read the editorials?
02 March 2005, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Bungle *****
You can have a uniform policy, but it's in breach of the Race Relations Act if they don't allow for people to adapt it for religious reasons.
...Miss Begum, whose parents are both dead, had worn a regulation shalwar kameez (trousers and tunic) until September 2002 when she informed the school authorities she intended to wear a full-length gown called a jilbab....
....A spokesman for Denbigh High School, where 79% of pupils are Muslims, defended its uniform policy which he said took into account cultural and religious sensitivities. ...
"The policy was agreed by the governing body following wide consultation with the DFES, pupils, parents, schools and leading Muslim organisations."
....A spokesman for Denbigh High School, where 79% of pupils are Muslims, defended its uniform policy which he said took into account cultural and religious sensitivities. ...
"The policy was agreed by the governing body following wide consultation with the DFES, pupils, parents, schools and leading Muslim organisations."
But for me the biscuit is ... "It is amazing that in the so-called free world I have to fight to wear this attire"
ITS A F***ING SCHOOL UNIFORM!!!!!!!!!! ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH
02 March 2005, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
THE PLACE HAS A UNIFORM POLICY - abide by it or F*** OFF! Its quite simple.
02 March 2005, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Drunken Bungle *****
So what's the reason? They don't have uniforms in most of Europe, why the big fuss?
02 March 2005, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
ITS A F***ING SCHOOL UNIFORM!!!!!!!!!! ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH
Oh - and I think you missed a few smilies.....
PS - Thanks Brendan, was begining to think they'd changed it all.
02 March 2005, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
02 March 2005, 12:40 PM
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Have i misread it, or did her previous attire of tunic & trousers satisfy both the uniform requirement AND her religious obligations. So why the change? what was wrong with what she wore before? If she is doing this just to make a point then she should be told this. And was it in a school that is largely Muslim anyway? So what was she trying to say? that she is more Muslim than the others for wearing this?
Doesn't help, does it??
Doesn't help, does it??
02 March 2005, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by celticpilgrim
And was it in a school that is largely Muslim anyway? So what was she trying to say? that she is more Muslim than the others for wearing this?
I think choosing/following one particular religion should be illegal for those under the age of 18, personally
02 March 2005, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by celticpilgrim
Have i misread it, or did her previous attire of tunic & trousers satisfy both the uniform requirement AND her religious obligations. So why the change? what was wrong with what she wore before? If she is doing this just to make a point then she should be told this. And was it in a school that is largely Muslim anyway? So what was she trying to say? that she is more Muslim than the others for wearing this?
Doesn't help, does it??
Doesn't help, does it??
02 March 2005, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
I think choosing/following one particular religion should be illegal for those under the age of 18, personally
02 March 2005, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
and the uniform policy is ILLEGAL. It's quite simple
I think you know which way Im going on this...!
02 March 2005, 01:49 PM
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It would seem that you can justify virtually anything now on the back of human rights and the right to express your religion.
Whether you think that schoold should have uniforms or not is not relevant to this argument. The school does, and she has chosen to disregard them.
Even the Mulsim council of Great Britain has agreed that what the school specified was acceptable, so why does she feel that she can wear something else? Is she above all other Muslims?
I think I'll start a religion that specifies wearing clogs, tutus and gas masks, then scream about human rights when the scholl tries to send my kids home
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Whether you think that schoold should have uniforms or not is not relevant to this argument. The school does, and she has chosen to disregard them.
Even the Mulsim council of Great Britain has agreed that what the school specified was acceptable, so why does she feel that she can wear something else? Is she above all other Muslims?
I think I'll start a religion that specifies wearing clogs, tutus and gas masks, then scream about human rights when the scholl tries to send my kids home
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02 March 2005, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Geezer
I think I'll start a religion that specifies wearing clogs, tutus and gas masks. Geezer
02 March 2005, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Not really. This is an appeal judges interpretation of the law, and hence could have gone either way. Previous judgements were against her.
What gets me is that the HRA AIUI is just the UK version of the European Convention of Human Rights, which France also subscribes to. They've declared headscarves in school illegal - has this been tested against the ECHR yet? Which way will that go? And will the UK and French rulings be consistent with each other? (Obviously not identical as they'll test slightly different bits of law...)
02 March 2005, 02:29 PM
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Follow and believe what religion you will - however accept the guidelines of the school you attend or leave.
This verdict has set a terrible precedent. <checks spelling of precedent>
This verdict has set a terrible precedent. <checks spelling of precedent>