warrenm2

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4299939.stm

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

fooking fcukwits

fast bloke

I haven't read it, but I agree unless it is something with which I disagree

Vegescoob

Come in number 191619845 you're nicked.
Btw, should be possible to vote for options 1 and 4.

moses

crap, they can do what they want, but no one has the right to implement their laws onto us, we should stay independent

moses

crap, they can do what they want, but no one has the right to implement their laws onto us, we should stay independant

GC8

Too late Moses; theyve wiped their ***** on the Bill of Rights (even though it cant be repelead by Parliament ffs) At this moment theyre looking for the Magna Carta in order to do the same. Between the nannying of the Labour Government and that of the socialist Eropean Union we'll be living in what amounts to a police state within ten years.

'It was a cold bright day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen...'

Citizen Simon

scoobchrissy

iTrader: (1)

F*cking halfwits

moses

i know mate, but if we vote euroboy tony out, im sure we can change it in a couple of yrs

makes me sick the way were going, only thing i do agree with europe is, spanish woman are beautiful and swedish and italian woman

and also i believe in the united states of europe superpower but sod everything else and we should get our waters back to fish ourselves instead of others coming to our waters to steal our fish

Leslie

Why as long as ten years GC8? If they get the third term we have lost our own country and our future way of life will be frightening.

Les

moses

def mate, makes me sick how some of them can even think of removing the royals, their our pride, its nice to have a queen, im a scot and a celtic man but still luv the royals though

GC8

Sorry Les; I was trying to be positive!

Brit_in_Japan

If the black box data was used for:-
a) pure research (i.e. it would only be used by engineers to help understand accident damage and use it to make cars and roads safer)
b) prosecution ONLY where someone has been killed or seriously injured

then I see no problem. Of course the bigger problem is stopping "mission creep" once you let such technology into cars. Initially it might be used as above, later it could be used as a spy in every car in the name of "national security". Tony Blair has already said safety from terrorists is the dominant human right!

gsm1

As Brit In Japan said, I'm not totally against if it is used for the right reasons. Could solve a lot of headaches over contested insurance claims.

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

Agreed - possibly OK, but would depend a lot on exactly what information was collected and what was done with it. 'Mission creep' is indeed the worry. It's also worth bearing in mind that a device that's used to apportion blame after an accident is still doing nothing to actually prevent them happening in the first place.

Far better to spend the cost of the box on providing free or subsidised advanced driving lessons IMHO.

chiark

Hate to tell you this, but your airbag controller already can store some such data, and has been used in the USA to deny a chap's claim. IIRC he had an off at over 100mph, claimed he wasn't speeding, and the deceleration records from the airbag sensor showed up that he was telling porkies...

I'd google for it, but I can't be bothered. It's an exercise for the interested reader

OllyK

As others have mentioned, providing there isn't scope creep I don't see a problem with it as such, I just don't see how it will reduce accidents, unless they are suggesting that the record could help improve long term vehicle safety and encourage road engineering improvements. It is unlikely to change driver habits if it is only accessed after a crash, and I personally don't want a full time electronic spy in my boot.

bigJoe

Scope creep – you betcha

Who owns the data? These things will be hacked pretty quickly, your boss or friendly dealer will be able to easily check your driving habits and of course report it to the Police (of course they’d say they have a duty to).

I used to work with flight data recorders and saw “scope creep” first hand and that’s with pilot unions keeping an eye on the handling of data – who would represent car drivers – I can see a massive free for all.

If the sole use for these is accident investigation, that may sound fine – but this really is the thin end of a much different wedge.

Personally I think decent driver education would be a much better way of reducing crashes, after all this (black boxes) won’t address the cause, just say what happened – all that will happen is that loads of data will be collected and not used (in the aviation industry FDR data gets analysed and fed back to improve safety – it’s a closed loop – I can’t see this happening with cars).

As far as this coming out of Europe goes, it could just as easily come from our own “civil service” – I don’t see an issue there.