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Old 23 February 2005, 06:49 PM
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Default Whats with the word "gaol"?

In a couple of books I have read they use the word "gaol" instead of,
jail. Books with this in had US and UK authors. Why is this??
Old 23 February 2005, 06:54 PM
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Gaol is the correct spelling, jail is for Americans. The only times jail is used by a UK author are when; a: he/she is ignorant of the true spelling, b: he/she is writing for US as well as UK readers and is pandering to the fact that a Brit can establish the meaning of jail whereas a Yank would be stumped by gaol, or c: the author is writing for young readers and understands that education standards have declined to a point where most young readers would have to ask what the meaning (let alone the pronounciation) of gaol was.
Old 23 February 2005, 06:56 PM
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Think gaol was the traditional name. Jail is a new one, possibly an americanism but I'm speculating. Maybe someone knows, this is scoobynet after all
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Originally Posted by Jap2Scrap
Gaol is the correct spelling, jail is for Americans. The only times jail is used by a UK author are when; a: he/she is ignorant of the true spelling, b: he/she is writing for US as well as UK readers and is pandering to the fact that a Brit can establish the meaning of jail whereas a Yank would be stumped by gaol, or c: the author is writing for young readers and understands that education standards have declined to a point where most young readers would have to ask what the meaning (let alone the pronounciation) of gaol was.

Well I didnt know that
Old 23 February 2005, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jap2Scrap
standards have declined to a point where most young readers would have to ask what the meaning (let alone the pronounciation) of gaol was.
Or, indeed, the pronunciation of "gaol"
Old 23 February 2005, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by carl
Or, indeed, the pronunciation of "gaol"
Irony huh....

Touché
Old 23 February 2005, 07:50 PM
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Personally I think the 'younger' readers will wonder why goal mas mis-spelt and why it makes no sense in context of whatever they're reading
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Originally Posted by dracoro
Personally I think the 'younger' readers will wonder why goal mas mis-spelt and why it makes no sense in context of whatever they're reading
The two words are easily confused in context too. E.g. "Paul Merson on several occassions scored in gaol" and "Paul Merson on several occassions scored a goal".
Old 23 February 2005, 08:54 PM
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The use of "Gaol" in modern English is anachronistic and only a pseud would use it in preference to "Jail"

Just my farthing's worth.
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From the Oxford English Dictionary:

"the word came into England from two Old French words, jaiole and gayole (the latter surviving in the spelling gaol): both are from Latin word: cavea ‘cage’."
Old 23 February 2005, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris L
From the Oxford English Dictionary:

"the word came into England from two Old French words, jaiole and gayole (the latter surviving in the spelling gaol): both are from Latin word: cavea ‘cage’."
I think Gayole(gayhole) pretty much sums up jail for most
Old 23 February 2005, 10:42 PM
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'tis correct, GAOL was here long before jail. As in Newgate Gaol etc. etc. etc.
Old 24 February 2005, 08:51 AM
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But we still nicked it from the French, so why be so patriotic about it?
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Originally Posted by Jap2Scrap
Gaol is the correct spelling, jail is for Americans. The only times jail is used by a UK author are when; a: he/she is ignorant of the true spelling, b: he/she is writing for US as well as UK readers and is pandering to the fact that a Brit can establish the meaning of jail whereas a Yank would be stumped by gaol, or c: the author is writing for young readers and understands that education standards have declined to a point where most young readers would have to ask what the meaning (let alone the pronounciation) of gaol was.
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That's one word where I don't care about tradition. I find jail far easier, I've always hated gaol - always read it as "gay-ol".

Oddly, I was looking for a dog-cage round Lisbon, checked in the dictionary what to ask for and it's "gaiola" - pronounced gay-ola!
Old 24 February 2005, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
That's one word where I don't care about tradition. I find jail far easier, I've always hated gaol - always read it as "gay-ol".

Oddly, I was looking for a dog-cage round Lisbon, checked in the dictionary what to ask for and it's "gaiola" - pronounced gay-ola!
Easier? ok.. 4 letters is a challenge I guess

While you're at it, it'd be easier to spell colour as color, favour as favor, neighbour as neighbor, flavour as flavor, etc.

Cheers
Old 24 February 2005, 01:03 PM
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I agree, fully admit that it's an illogical opinion. But there you are.
Old 24 February 2005, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Jap2Scrap
Easier? ok.. 4 letters is a challenge I guess

While you're at it, it'd be easier to spell colour as color, favour as favor, neighbour as neighbor, flavour as flavor, etc.

Cheers
Hey - that's a good Idea - Then Tony Blair can claim the educational standards are rising as everbody can now spel

Old 24 February 2005, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
The use of "Gaol" in modern English is anachronistic and only a pseud would use it in preference to "Jail"

Just my farthing's worth.

I would argue that point, but I have to look up anachronistic first
Old 24 February 2005, 03:57 PM
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I'd say it is as anachronistic as the word "pseud".

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